Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:44398) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RPZpO-0002TY-FG; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:38 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf4879662bka.16 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=r7QeHqD9OAWkjAixQeqc7bLX8lkUbQtx/7Vic5WcH/s=; b=yfsSHaMzUZ0Rh03Azm8vDeolHPU4zFMhqnAwh9ClP0kDE9snqv923j/xgrWMv2i/mo M1tQ9ti2yg6OribXaGr7AiumZ2rsJAjTE4sheGpnk1Fi/tjyPreth3bSvDgY5c/Y9AHs wvCNkg6vpA2uBKfsdfxmI2sioYjM/piFT7qt4= Received: by 10.205.139.80 with SMTP id iv16mr1706598bkc.26.1321189819570; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:19 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.80.78 with SMTP id zt14ls17429974bkb.1.gmail; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.132.13 with SMTP id hs13mr2546995bkc.0.1321189818181; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.132.13 with SMTP id hs13mr2546994bkc.0.1321189818170; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j24si1204420fac.2.2011.11.13.05.10.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by faar25 with SMTP id r25so1890718faa.8 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.106.130 with SMTP id gu2mr11536563lab.37.1321189818013; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:10:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111112173901.GC2702@gonzales> References: <20111112173901.GC2702@gonzales> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:10:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > What I mean by this (i.e. by "really"): if B hears A say {su'o ctuca cu > tavla ro le tadni}, and B wants to understand what A means to say about > actual teachers and actual students, and if {ctuca} and {tadni} do not > specify levels, then B has to guess which levels A intends them to refer > to. If, for example, B guesses that A is talking about kinds of teacher > and about actual students, all B can deduce about actual teachers and > students is that every student was talked to by some teacher. You have some hidden assumptions there, for example that there are actual teachers of the kind that talks to every student. And B can deduce more: that there is some kind of teacher such that every student was talked to by some teacher of that kind. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.