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2011/11/11 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  On the other hand, no one
> > mentioned se'i/se'inai, which I think IS the right way to describe the
> sense
> > that you are feeling something because someone else has experienced
> > something "oi se'inai" ("Ow!  That fall you took hurt me")
>
> I've always interpreted "se'i" as indicating the orientation of the
> attitude. The only times I remember using it is in ".oi se'i", when I
> mean to complain to myself, not about something you or anyone else
> did, or something that just happened to me, but about something I did,
> a complaint directed at myself.
>
> The example in CLL is ".au se'i" (I want it for myself) and ".au se'i
> nai" (I want it for you, or presumably for someone else).
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>

  We seem to be in agreement here.  Who  wants in "au se'inai"?  *I* do.
What's the reason for my want?  Someone else.  Who complains in "oi
se'inai"?  I do.  What's the reason for my complaint?  Someone else. Hence,
"That fall you took hurt me!"  Whereas "oi dai" to me only conveys "I see
that YOU hurt".

            --gejysppa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/11/11 Jorge Llamb=
=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllamb=
ias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Michael Turniansky<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0On the other hand, no one<br>
&gt; mentioned se&#39;i/se&#39;inai, which I think IS the right way to desc=
ribe the sense<br>
&gt; that you are feeling something because someone else has experienced<br=
>
&gt; something &quot;oi se&#39;inai&quot; (&quot;Ow!=A0 That fall you took =
hurt me&quot;)<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;ve always interpreted &quot;se&#39;i&quot; as indicating the or=
ientation of the<br>
attitude. The only times I remember using it is in &quot;.oi se&#39;i&quot;=
, when I<br>
mean to complain to myself, not about something you or anyone else<br>
did, or something that just happened to me, but about something I did,<br>
a complaint directed at myself.<br>
<br>
The example in CLL is &quot;.au se&#39;i&quot; (I want it for myself) and &=
quot;.au se&#39;i<br>
nai&quot; (I want it for you, or presumably for someone else).<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br></div></blockquote></div><br>=A0 We seem to be =
in agreement here.=A0 Who=A0 wants in &quot;au se&#39;inai&quot;?=A0 *I* do=
.=A0 What&#39;s the reason for my want?=A0 Someone else.=A0 Who complains i=
n &quot;oi se&#39;inai&quot;?=A0 I do.=A0 What&#39;s the reason for my comp=
laint?=A0 Someone else. Hence, &quot;That fall you took hurt me!&quot;=A0 W=
hereas &quot;oi dai&quot; to me only conveys &quot;I see that YOU hurt&quot=
;. <br>
<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejysppa<br><br></div>

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