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 Hmmm.  Interesting, Pierre.  Until this very moment, I did not know whence
the Yiddish "blech" for "a piece of sheet metal covering the stovetop to
allow food to be kept warm on the Sabbath without cooking it" came from.
                Thanks,
                   --gejyspa


On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, in America at least, "blech" is an expression of distaste.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday 12 November 2011 13:16:16 Luke Bergen wrote:
>> > ahhhhh that makes sense.  So the "h"iness comes from the fact that it'=
s
>> a
>> > continuous air-flow and the "k"ness comes from the fact that it's the
>> back
>> > of your tongue.  Fail the continuous flow and it sounds like a "k".
>>  Fail
>> > to restrict the flow with the back of the tongue and it sounds like "h=
".
>> >  Does that sound about right?
>>
>> Sounds right to me. The sound occurs in Spanish (which doesn't
>> distinguish it
>> from [h]; both original "h" and "h" derived from "f" are silent), Russia=
n
>> (which has [h] as an allophone of /g/ so Russians go to the gospital), a=
nd
>> Arabic (which distinguishes it from both /h/ and /=CF=87/). Hindi has
>> aspirated "k" instead, and I don't know about Chinese.
>>
>> By the way, "Blech" is German for "sheet metal". Recycle bins have a
>> compartment for Wei=C3=9Fblechdosen (tin cans).
>>
>> Pierre
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0Hmmm. =C2=A0Interesting, Pierre. =C2=A0Until this ve=
ry moment, I did not know whence the Yiddish &quot;blech&quot; for &quot;a =
piece of sheet metal covering the stovetop to allow food to be kept warm on=
 the Sabbath without cooking it&quot; came from.<div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejy=
spa</div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:=
55 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail=
.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Well, in America at least, &quot;blech&quot=
; is an expression of distaste.<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Saturday 12 November 2011 13:16:16 L=
uke Bergen wrote:<br>
&gt; ahhhhh that makes sense. =C2=A0So the &quot;h&quot;iness comes from th=
e fact that it&#39;s a<br>
&gt; continuous air-flow and the &quot;k&quot;ness comes from the fact that=
 it&#39;s the back<br>
&gt; of your tongue. =C2=A0Fail the continuous flow and it sounds like a &q=
uot;k&quot;. =C2=A0Fail<br>
&gt; to restrict the flow with the back of the tongue and it sounds like &q=
uot;h&quot;.<br>
&gt; =C2=A0Does that sound about right?<br>
<br>
</div>Sounds right to me. The sound occurs in Spanish (which doesn&#39;t di=
stinguish it<br>
from [h]; both original &quot;h&quot; and &quot;h&quot; derived from &quot;=
f&quot; are silent), Russian<br>
(which has [h] as an allophone of /g/ so Russians go to the gospital), and<=
br>
Arabic (which distinguishes it from both /h/ and /=CF=87/). Hindi has<br>
aspirated &quot;k&quot; instead, and I don&#39;t know about Chinese.<br>
<br>
By the way, &quot;Blech&quot; is German for &quot;sheet metal&quot;. Recycl=
e bins have a<br>
compartment for Wei=C3=9Fblechdosen (tin cans).<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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