Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:43110) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RPeg3-0004NV-8G; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:21:17 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf5100460bka.16 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:21:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=u5Jfioo11R/nPpADxmBXoVjfQsN9Y361T2Bm1wT2S5o=; b=pCm7OX3TiCIfsEE1nDiMuqXfspxaxScjRIOxpAggmYfUqaPB5QggGaLxJMuIc92iF9 m+/+2wgBpCF3tJmf6gdsOSYZmxI9HtVMvlKJ6Jp5qT5P0UhSzqRyelV7p47KTFduC92U XBDBcBgwvOoJXPNWI/fkHMiiCRlv1JOBai8Zk= Received: by 10.204.166.66 with SMTP id l2mr1821069bky.34.1321208460583; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:21:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.33.136 with SMTP id h8ls8541312bkd.0.gmail; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr2671241bku.1.1321208459622; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr2671240bku.1.1321208459600; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v13si3134320bkf.0.2011.11.13.10.20.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.53; Received: by bkaq10 with SMTP id q10so6155696bka.26 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.130.90 with SMTP id r26mr4160818bks.46.1321208459384; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.41.68 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201111131258.56031.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20111106130432.GK21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111112030026.GB2500@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201111131258.56031.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Icky lujvo From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517447eb6e5578704b1a1d02b X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --001517447eb6e5578704b1a1d02b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 13 November 2011 11:19:52 Michael Turniansky wrote: > > So, citmle is the same thing -- cit/mle. > > But "mlana" or "mlatu" as a word is preceded by a vowel, unless it's at the > beginning of a sentence or preceded by a cmevla. "ml" in "citmle" is > preceded > by a consonant with no pause. > > Do you find "citmle" more or less icky than "cibmla", in which the > consonant > has the same place of articulation as the "m"? > > Pierre I agree, that is tougher to say while keeping all the consonants distinct. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001517447eb6e5578704b1a1d02b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at= 12:58 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Sunday 13 November 2011 11:19:52 Michael Turniansky wr= ote:
> =A0 So, citmle is the same thing -- cit/mle.

But "mlana" or "mlatu" as a word is preceded by a= vowel, unless it's at the
beginning of a sentence or preceded by a cmevla. "ml" in "ci= tmle" is preceded
by a consonant with no pause.

Do you find "citmle" more or less icky than "cibmla", i= n which the consonant
has the same place of articulation as the "m"?

Pierre

=A0 I agree, that is tougher to say = while keeping all the consonants distinct.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 --gejyspa

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