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On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   Nope. It's called anthropomorphizing.  I'm sympathizing with the way I
> > believe that item would feel, if it could feel pain.  For example, were
> I of
> > a sadistic bent, And I stepped on a snail, crushing it, I could
> reasonably
> > cry out, "oiro'osaidai .i uisairo'e" corresponding roughly to English
> "[high
> > squeaky voice] Oh, ow! [gloating voice] MWA-HAHA!"  My mental state and
> the
> > snail's do not correspond at all.
>
> I disagree. I think ".oiro'osaidai .i .uisairo'e" implies changing
> feelings about having stepped on a snail*, beginning by empathizing
> with the snail's physical pain
>

  [snip]


> *CLL, right after the part we were just talking about: "Finally, we
> often want to report how our attitudes are changing. If our attitude
> has not changed, we can just repeat the attitudinal. (Therefore, ".ui
> .ui .ui" is not the same as ".uicai", but simply means that we are
> continuing to be happy.)" For a mix of feelings, I'd be inclined to
> leave out the ".i" in the middle, but what it's a blend or sequence
> *of* is not changed.
>

  I won't bother rehashing my opinions on the matter at hand (dai), because
we've already covered it, but about this new point, the reason I used "i"
was simply intended as a separator, so that the two emotional states
wouldn't "bleed" into one another (not sure if they would have, so I was
just forestalling it.  Feel free to read my sentence without it) If I
wanted to convey changing emotions, well, that's what bu'o is for.
             --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at=
 1:53 PM, Craig Daniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:craigbdaniel=
@gmail.com">craigbdaniel@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Michael Turniansky<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt; =A0 Nope. It&#39;s called anthropomorphizing. =A0I&#39;m sympathizing =
with the way I<br>
&gt; believe that item would feel, if it could feel pain. =A0For example, w=
ere I of<br>
&gt; a sadistic bent, And I stepped on a snail, crushing it, I could reason=
ably<br>
&gt; cry out, &quot;oiro&#39;osaidai .i uisairo&#39;e&quot; corresponding r=
oughly to English &quot;[high<br>
&gt; squeaky voice] Oh, ow! [gloating voice] MWA-HAHA!&quot; =A0My mental s=
tate and the<br>
&gt; snail&#39;s do not correspond at all.<br>
<br>
</div>I disagree. I think &quot;.oiro&#39;osaidai .i .uisairo&#39;e&quot; i=
mplies changing<br>
feelings about having stepped on a snail*, beginning by empathizing<br>
with the snail&#39;s physical pain <br></blockquote><div>=A0=A0 <br>=A0 [sn=
ip]<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
*CLL, right after the part we were just talking about: &quot;Finally, we<br=
>
often want to report how our attitudes are changing. If our attitude<br>
has not changed, we can just repeat the attitudinal. (Therefore, &quot;.ui<=
br>
.ui .ui&quot; is not the same as &quot;.uicai&quot;, but simply means that =
we are<br>
continuing to be happy.)&quot; For a mix of feelings, I&#39;d be inclined t=
o<br>
leave out the &quot;.i&quot; in the middle, but what it&#39;s a blend or se=
quence<br>
*of* is not changed.<br></blockquote><div><br>=A0 I won&#39;t bother rehash=
ing my opinions on the matter at hand (dai), because we&#39;ve already cove=
red it, but about this new point, the reason I used &quot;i&quot; was simpl=
y intended as a separator, so that the two emotional states wouldn&#39;t &q=
uot;bleed&quot; into one another (not sure if they would have, so I was jus=
t forestalling it.=A0 Feel free to read my sentence without it) If I wanted=
 to convey changing emotions, well, that&#39;s what bu&#39;o is for.<br>
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa<br><br><br></div></div><br><=
/div>

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