Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:33611) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RPjNk-0005su-AI; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:45 -0800 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf6377347wwf.16 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FH5igMF0GHmD02O8HJ03UthdtfpleCcuzELiR56AedA=; b=OLyl3xb4jBq8MXG3iXRlfWvTj5ts5quzIoRDFYIvCz2hiRwSnDXfHRlUaIMw0vmc1s Vw+kQz9hOTCHzt37dsLfQXjBryiJO2X1/dCQPLfQT3MXaJ6+ki26x3U4q1mpGwul9bym KyRS2u352J2m9x4BnmAav810oOK/zlZX7R/lA= Received: by 10.216.131.155 with SMTP id m27mr139983wei.73.1321226545890; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.37.134 with SMTP id y6ls627028eea.0.gmail; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.5.141 with SMTP id 13mr178732eel.13.1321226544350; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.5.141 with SMTP id 13mr178731eel.13.1321226544324; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f178.google.com (mail-ey0-f178.google.com [209.85.215.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d10si11816832eed.3.2011.11.13.15.22.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.178; Received: by eye13 with SMTP id 13so4986101eye.37 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.5.148 with SMTP id 20mr1608965eel.105.1321226543149; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.97.77 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111113221208.GP2500@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20111106130432.GK21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111112030026.GB2500@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201111131258.56031.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20111113221208.GP2500@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 00:22:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Icky lujvo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d34824c5b36004b1a60646 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --001636d34824c5b36004b1a60646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But isn't that just a question of practising, or? I have no problem to pronounce mlomla, mebmla, cibmla, citmle or whatever. But then I'm not a natural english-speaker..;) In fact I like these crunchy words. Especially citmle. It reminds me of the swedish phrase "shit cute" (= gorgeous). Good luck with your tongue-twisting exercises;) zo'o mu'o mi'e jongausib 2011/11/13 Robin Lee Powell > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 01:58:53PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Sunday 13 November 2011 11:19:52 Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > So, citmle is the same thing -- cit/mle. > > > > But "mlana" or "mlatu" as a word is preceded by a vowel, unless > > it's at the beginning of a sentence or preceded by a cmevla. "ml" > > in "citmle" is preceded by a consonant with no pause. > > > > Do you find "citmle" more or less icky than "cibmla", in which the > > consonant has the same place of articulation as the "m"? > > I find them both the same amount of icky, for the reason you > describe. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636d34824c5b36004b1a60646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But isn't that just a question of practising, or?
I have no problem = to pronounce mlomla, mebmla, cibmla, citmle or whatever.
But then I'= ;m not a natural english-speaker..;)
In fact I like these crunchy words.=
Especially citmle. It reminds me of the swedish phrase "shit cute"= ; (=3Dgorgeous).
Goo= d luck with your tongue-twisting exercises;)
zo'o mu'o mi'e = jongausib

2011/11/13 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digita= lkingdom.org>
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 01:58:53PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wr= ote:
> On Sunday 13 November 2011 11:19:52 Michael Turniansky wrote:
> > =A0 So, citmle is the same thing -- cit/mle.
>
> But "mlana" or "mlatu" as a word is preceded by a = vowel, unless
> it's at the beginning of a sentence or preceded by a cmevla. "= ;ml"
> in "citmle" is preceded by a consonant with no pause.
>
> Do you find "citmle" more or less icky than "cibmla&quo= t;, in which the
> consonant has the same place of articulation as the "m"?

I find them both the same amount of icky, for the reason you
describe.

-Robin

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