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Here we have the advantage of taking kinds and the like as bunches (without=
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ontological commitment of things called "bunches"): {su'o lo stuci) has=20
essentially the same result under either interpretation, a subbunch of lo=
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stuci.  It may, of course, not correspond to the bunches put in as kinds of=
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teachers, but it produces a kind of its own.  Of course, there remains the =
issue=20
of how this bunch talks to all the students, but, as I have noted elsewhere=
, it=20
all works out to there being some teachers (mundanes) who talk to all the=
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students, even if no one teacher does.



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From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 13, 2011 7:10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> What I mean by this (i.e. by "really"): if B hears A say {su'o ctuca cu
> tavla ro le tadni}, and B wants to understand what A means to say about
> actual teachers and actual students, and if {ctuca} and {tadni} do not
> specify levels, then B has to guess which levels A intends them to refer
> to. If, for example, B guesses that A is talking about kinds of teacher
> and about actual students, all B can deduce about actual teachers and
> students is that every student was talked to by some teacher.

You have some hidden assumptions there, for example that there are
actual teachers of the kind that talks to every student.

And B can deduce more: that there is some kind of teacher such that
every student was talked to by some teacher of that kind.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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