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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:16 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wr=
ote:
>  =A0Kinds don't seem to be the sort of
> things that ruin gardens, though their exemplars may. =A0The factual
> situation, as far as transistors, etc. are concerned, is about genealogy,
> all transistors descend from something invented by Shockley. =A0But that =
is at
> least as hard to express as types, so I wait a while on it.

The problem with that take is the usual one, you cannot say things
like "transistors, which were invented by Shockley (although not
quite, according to Wikipedia), are found today in practically all
electronic devices" if you don't allow that there is something both
invented by Shockley and found today in practically all electronic
devices.

I liked it better when you were of the opinion that the way in which
they were invented by Shockley may be different from the way in which
they are found all over, but that either way they are transistors, or
"the transistor" (as in English).

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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