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On Monday 14 November 2011 15:24:21 maikxlx wrote:
> But yesterday as I was reading random online materials (this one -
> http://amor.cms.hu-berlin.de/~h2816i3x/Talks/GenericitySeattle.ho.pdf ), I
> found what I think is a good bunch-resisting, kind-example:
>
> - (2a) Transistors were invented by Shockley.
>
> One can't get the same result by referring to any bunch:
>
> - (2b) *There exist some transistors that were invented by Shockley.
>
> Nor does taking the biggest possible bunch of transistors help:
>
> - (2c) *All transistors were invented by Shockley.
>
> It seems that though transistors as a kind of thing were invented, no
> mundane transistor nor any extension, ensemble, or bunch of them was
> invented.  In (2a) there does seem to be some sort of "transistor kind"
> (dare I say "form") above the mundane, even taking into consideration the
> possible worlds that Montague would have in his model.

Would it be correct to say "lo'e za'e grezunca'a cu se finti la .caklis."? 
Also, does my example "lo'e .ornitorinku na fadni mabru .iki'ubo na'o se 
jbena re sovda" involve a kind?

Pierre

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