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It turns out that the CLL is *ambiguous* as to whether {dai} means
"I feel it with you" or "I note you feeling it".

-_-

From http://dag.github.com/cll/13/10/

  You can of course make a bridi claim that so-and-so felt
  such-and-such an emotion, but you can also make use of the
  attitudinal system by adding the indicator =93dai=94, which attributes
  the preceding attitudinal to someone else =97 exactly whom, must be
  determined from context. You can also use =93dai=94 conversationally
  when you empathize, or feel someone else=92s emotion as if it were
  your own:

So, um, *yeah*.

I think I'ma go with your plan, since I think it's more used to mean
"I feel it with you" than the other.

-Robin

On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 11:35:31AM -0600, Adam Lopresto wrote:
> No answer for the {ko} form. But for the other, I have a very non-standar=
d
> solution that I think might just work: treat {dai} as a scale. (Glosses
> below subject to all the standard rigamarole of "attitudinals aren't
> propositions", etc; work with me here.)
>=20
> {.o'u dai [ja'ai]}: I see you're relaxed, and feel relaxed with you
> {.o'u dai nai}: You're relaxed, but I'm not.
> {.o'u dai cu'i}: You're relaxed. Nothing at all about how I feel is being
> expressed here.
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> I don't think {dai} as a scale has any defined meaning, but this seems
> consistent with the standard base form, while adding useful meanings for
> the others.
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> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>=20
> >
> > OK, so there's {dai}.  {.ui dai} means "you are happy, and I am also
> > happy along with you".
> >
> > What I routinely find myself wanting to say to the babies is things
> > like {.o'u [you should be feeling this]}.  Something like a UI
> > equivalent of {ko surla}, or {ko gleki}, or whatever.
> >
> > Obviously, I can just *say* {ko surla}, but I find myself, in the
> > flow of Lojban, really *wanting* to use the UI cmavo for this
> > purpose.
> >
> > Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this; I'm
> > not myself, but I observe it in you]}.  Which, again, {za'a do
> > dunku}, but when I'm in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI for
> > it.
> >
> > I don't know why I have these urges, but I thought I'd throw them
> > out in case other people feel similarily and maybe think it's worth
> > playing with a couple of experimental cmavo for it.  As usual, I
> > probably won't be following the thread.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > --
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