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Well, I am coming back to that view (if I ever left it).  There is somethin=
g which was invented by Shockley et al and now appears all over, namely tra=
nsistors, the whole bunch of them, genetically .(to force a metaphor) in th=
e first case, collectively in the other ( and there may bbe more ways to co=
me, possibly to the point where this position no longer has simplicity goin=
g for it).

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On Nov 14, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:16 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> =
wrote:
>>  Kinds don't seem to be the sort of
>> things that ruin gardens, though their exemplars may.  The factual
>> situation, as far as transistors, etc. are concerned, is about genealogy=
,
>> all transistors descend from something invented by Shockley.  But that i=
s at
>> least as hard to express as types, so I wait a while on it.
>=20
> The problem with that take is the usual one, you cannot say things
> like "transistors, which were invented by Shockley (although not
> quite, according to Wikipedia), are found today in practically all
> electronic devices" if you don't allow that there is something both
> invented by Shockley and found today in practically all electronic
> devices.
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> I liked it better when you were of the opinion that the way in which
> they were invented by Shockley may be different from the way in which
> they are found all over, but that either way they are transistors, or
> "the transistor" (as in English).
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> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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