Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:54457) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RQh9r-0003T7-KM; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:12:25 -0800 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33sf10050442pzk.16 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:12:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-pgp-key :x-pgp-keyid:x-cunselcu'a-valsi:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Sou1X811WMCoCaT9WVOAibf9oE6hqkIZtz73UI/cPT0=; b=cIEwIX4zkOO+zubT8Eh03OWQ12BxFM11vOctCvcQnBChAl+Wmv6Lz+gEGN52Ibiau/ KGbZNm3brXEfuaIyvD9uxATaxJfCUS7cG3Cd1a3bYdv1cCyc72Pj8+cKiGnNoh7PW4r+ 0gz5U7P4+R2UhgS/rsgJh9/jktOuSGnBkU9Cg= Received: by 10.68.7.65 with SMTP id h1mr4502756pba.18.1321456326384; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.12.106 with SMTP id x10ls6164023pbb.3.gmail; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.35.68 with SMTP id f4mr32414473pbj.5.1321456325579; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.35.68 with SMTP id f4mr32414471pbj.5.1321456325571; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org. [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2si9648922pba.0.2011.11.16.07.12.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAGFBwEA009847 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:12:05 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RQgl4-00008p-JD for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:46:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:46:38 -0500 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like Message-ID: <20111116144638.GA962@gonzales> References: <20111112173901.GC2702@gonzales> <1321289156.24832.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: bisli User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Monday, 2011-11-14 at 15:24 -0500 - maikxlx : > But yesterday as I was reading random online materials (this one - > http://amor.cms.hu-berlin.de/~h2816i3x/Talks/GenericitySeattle.ho.pdf ), I > found what I think is a good bunch-resisting, kind-example: >=20 > - (2a) Transistors were invented by Shockley. I don't think we should feel obliged to treat as a jbokind (whatever they end up being) everything for which English uses a bare plural. In this case, surely what Shockley invented was the idea (si'o) of a transistor. Martin --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7DzM4ACgkQULC7OLX7LNYF7wCfZjrQ101uHCHzglsRRuvCOcAH 1EUAn34yRifgh8weUc1vVnmRNxSiSEea =dNVm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N--