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 Content preview:  Well, I think he probably came up with a device as well. He
    I would use the genetic mode to connect to the kind, cf. "Lions come from
    Africa" when all the ones I know come from Omaha. Sent from my iPad [...]
    
 
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Well, I think he probably came up with a device as well.  He I would use the genetic mode to connect to the kind, cf. "Lions come from Africa" when all the ones I know come from Omaha.

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On Nov 16, 2011, at 8:46 AM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:

> * Monday, 2011-11-14 at 15:24 -0500 - maikxlx <maikxlx@gmail.com>:
> 
>> But yesterday as I was reading random online materials (this one -
>> http://amor.cms.hu-berlin.de/~h2816i3x/Talks/GenericitySeattle.ho.pdf ), I
>> found what I think is a good bunch-resisting, kind-example:
>> 
>> - (2a) Transistors were invented by Shockley.
> 
> I don't think we should feel obliged to treat as a jbokind (whatever
> they end up being) everything for which English uses a bare plural.
> 
> In this case, surely what Shockley invented was the idea (si'o) of
> a transistor.
> 
> Martin

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