Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:59442) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RQyo1-00032i-47; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:03:00 -0800 Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36sf3258850wyg.16 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kd3trxQ9pkf8CliajLWuYPsRxRHdAH385JDMOAuNNP0=; b=OUsEfWp6k9ayNLOxuNv0P+V2ASc2eJPThWcYrSZFtG+QThwGR5oqkxa5NtXm9Bw1S7 5GyChbD3JvTmIzambHaRigH+gignJf8EnW0IamPYDqksXxUshcokLSGhWeP8EvFDcPF3 isecf9+xjYiM4z7O5bAtxo6xsrlQca69f0A5A= Received: by 10.216.138.36 with SMTP id z36mr1684313wei.12.1321524142606; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.100.131 with SMTP id z3ls405152eef.1.gmail; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr5227972bkw.2.1321524141598; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr5227971bkw.2.1321524141572; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f42.google.com (mail-fx0-f42.google.com [209.85.161.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17si880798fai.0.2011.11.17.02.02.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.42; Received: by mail-fx0-f42.google.com with SMTP id n2so2708230faa.15 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.0.138 with SMTP id 10mr23117438lae.3.1321524141381; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.1.7 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:02:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <11134151.93.1321473096305.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcm23> <201111170113.10114.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:02:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] An alternative day-of-week list From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5485a6e025a6904b1eb51b9 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec5485a6e025a6904b1eb51b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Based on the information on that page, only one of those examples of other-than-7-day weeks is in use today, that being the Javanese 5-day one. All the others are either clearly no longer used or as in the case of the Nigerian 4-day week, ambiguous as to their current week. In contrast, the 7-day week is used worldwide. I don't doubt it would be very difficult indeed to find a single culture on this planet that doesn't use the 7-day week - even if they also use a other-than-7-day week. Regardless, the reason for Lojban going with a 7-day week is simple: The vast majority, if not the entirety, of the world, has 7 days in their weeks, which makes things rather simple to decide. So, to reiterate: It ain't broke. Stop trying to fix it. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:38 AM, tijlan wrote: > What about those non-7-day weeks? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#.22Weeks.22_in_other_calendars > > There can be no consistent correspondence for the starting day of the > week unless we ignore certain calendars with different cycles. > > Why would Lojbanistan choose the 7-day week? Because it's an > international standard, adopted by the ISO? Isn't that adoption on > hegemonic rather than scientific grounds? Is there any real neutral > basis for the days of the week of any traditional calendar as there > are for the length of the Earth's day or year? > > I care about which day is "Monday" etc. only as long as other people > do. Personally, I would be happy to get rid of those traditional time > units and live by the days of the year: "on the 32nd ... 182nd ... > 365th" (yes, no months either). > > mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec5485a6e025a6904b1eb51b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Based on the information on that page, only one of those examples of other-= than-7-day weeks is in use today, that being the Javanese 5-day one. All th= e others are either clearly no longer used or as in the case of the Nigeria= n 4-day week, ambiguous as to their current week.

In contrast, the 7-day week is used worldwide. I don't doubt it wou= ld be very difficult indeed to find a single culture on this planet that do= esn't use the 7-day week - even if they also use a other-than-7-day wee= k.

Regardless, the reason for Lojban going with a 7-day week is simple: Th= e vast majority, if not the entirety, of the world, has 7 days in their wee= ks, which makes things rather simple to decide.

So, to reiterate: It= ain't broke. Stop trying to fix it.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:38 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
What about those non-7-day weeks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#.22Weeks.22_in_other_= calendars

There can be no consistent correspondence for the starting day of the
week unless we ignore certain calendars with different cycles.

Why would Lojbanistan choose the 7-day week? Because it's an
international standard, adopted by the ISO? Isn't that adoption on
hegemonic rather than scientific grounds? Is there any real neutral
basis for the days of the week of any traditional calendar as there
are for the length of the Earth's day or year?

I care about which day is "Monday" etc. only as long as other peo= ple
do. Personally, I would be happy to get rid of those traditional time
units and live by the days of the year: "on the 32nd ... 182nd ...
365th" (yes, no months either).

mu'o

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