Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:48510) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RQztw-0003bS-4t; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:13:11 -0800 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf3459862wwf.16 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x7Go6FCqJQwThL+kQxOt8KLivt0OkxQAQmWltpS8Lx0=; b=MHsCZsHoUmlKs/9l4mLp/QdANBmdi3ysvFe/jY/btMnhlgoVuiHFqbHyIdEvelaD63 P4RiL+vTipX2l9lEEUFww5B2sRorExnuXUfyRYzKrvJ89CbBmbv5k5onOL9NX9oeHATC yOVTtbNDn/3qLWN9RDx0brwVti6wCIx/2GyW0= Received: by 10.180.7.138 with SMTP id j10mr14582659wia.1.1321528357081; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.4.163 with SMTP id l3ls3560797wil.2.gmail; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.92.104 with SMTP id cl8mr2708245wib.3.1321528356099; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.92.104 with SMTP id cl8mr2708244wib.3.1321528356087; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f179.google.com (mail-ey0-f179.google.com [209.85.215.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17si16638579wbo.1.2011.11.17.03.12.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.179; Received: by mail-ey0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 10so1845572eyz.38 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.17.202 with SMTP id j50mr2700790eej.7.1321528355886; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.97.77 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:12:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <11134151.93.1321473096305.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcm23> <201111170113.10114.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] An alternative day-of-week list From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65b415236983b04b1ec4c9f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --0016e65b415236983b04b1ec4c9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I agree with Jonathan. The 7-day week is used worldwide and should therefore be the lojbanic standard by default. But if there's another standard, perhaps based more on scientific/logical, I would think that could be fascinating. So I think everyone is free to use alternative standards as long as it clear from context or explicit expressed as seltau or put in the standard place. mu'o mi'e jongausib 2011/11/17 Jonathan Jones > Based on the information on that page, only one of those examples of > other-than-7-day weeks is in use today, that being the Javanese 5-day one. > All the others are either clearly no longer used or as in the case of the > Nigerian 4-day week, ambiguous as to their current week. > > In contrast, the 7-day week is used worldwide. I don't doubt it would be > very difficult indeed to find a single culture on this planet that doesn't > use the 7-day week - even if they also use a other-than-7-day week. > > Regardless, the reason for Lojban going with a 7-day week is simple: The > vast majority, if not the entirety, of the world, has 7 days in their > weeks, which makes things rather simple to decide. > > So, to reiterate: It ain't broke. Stop trying to fix it. > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:38 AM, tijlan wrote: > >> What about those non-7-day weeks? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#.22Weeks.22_in_other_calendars >> >> There can be no consistent correspondence for the starting day of the >> week unless we ignore certain calendars with different cycles. >> >> Why would Lojbanistan choose the 7-day week? Because it's an >> international standard, adopted by the ISO? Isn't that adoption on >> hegemonic rather than scientific grounds? Is there any real neutral >> basis for the days of the week of any traditional calendar as there >> are for the length of the Earth's day or year? >> >> I care about which day is "Monday" etc. only as long as other people >> do. Personally, I would be happy to get rid of those traditional time >> units and live by the days of the year: "on the 32nd ... 182nd ... >> 365th" (yes, no months either). >> >> mu'o >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e65b415236983b04b1ec4c9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Jonathan. The 7-day week is used worldwide and should therefor= e be the lojbanic standard by default.
But if there's another stand= ard, perhaps based more on scientific/logical, I would think that could be = fascinating.
So I think everyone is free to use alternative standards as long as it clea= r from context or explicit expressed as seltau or put in the standard place= .
mu'o mi'e jongausib

2011/11/= 17 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
Based on the info= rmation on that page, only one of those examples of other-than-7-day weeks = is in use today, that being the Javanese 5-day one. All the others are eith= er clearly no longer used or as in the case of the Nigerian 4-day week, amb= iguous as to their current week.

In contrast, the 7-day week is used worldwide. I don't doubt it wou= ld be very difficult indeed to find a single culture on this planet that do= esn't use the 7-day week - even if they also use a other-than-7-day wee= k.

Regardless, the reason for Lojban going with a 7-day week is simple: Th= e vast majority, if not the entirety, of the world, has 7 days in their wee= ks, which makes things rather simple to decide.

So, to reiterate: It= ain't broke. Stop trying to fix it.


On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:38 AM, tijlan <= jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
What about those non-7-day weeks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#.22Weeks.22_in_other_= calendars

There can be no consistent correspondence for the starting day of the
week unless we ignore certain calendars with different cycles.

Why would Lojbanistan choose the 7-day week? Because it's an
international standard, adopted by the ISO? Isn't that adoption on
hegemonic rather than scientific grounds? Is there any real neutral
basis for the days of the week of any traditional calendar as there
are for the length of the Earth's day or year?

I care about which day is "Monday" etc. only as long as other peo= ple
do. Personally, I would be happy to get rid of those traditional time
units and live by the days of the year: "on the 32nd ... 182nd ...
365th" (yes, no months either).

mu'o

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