Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:40387) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RR0yU-00040s-Ab; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:55 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf1836445bka.16 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=f3QRFo7jm+qLEuZ6BlZkyVVM+BcXZyiV5OkUJroSsfQ=; b=jdKosZPAE0KAfjTlhboMpLm8ibvYZfKbjum0qbjJUL1nhIBYpQaeqQYEa7jlS5M/4G q0plC1vbXQddR0J5UlreC37x/IvUItV+LPFdxudROXgwai0oJJk0HjWCfg5fvO/GHxIn rfOY8ER26hBRFFVoUrgLEL8LInE99znct0zFg= Received: by 10.204.33.133 with SMTP id h5mr3778421bkd.10.1321532500164; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.33.136 with SMTP id h8ls912881bkd.0.gmail; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.127.148 with SMTP id ha20mr2900856bkc.6.1321532498952; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.127.148 with SMTP id ha20mr2900855bkc.6.1321532498938; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com (mail-fx0-f41.google.com [209.85.161.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17si1047390fai.0.2011.11.17.04.21.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.41; Received: by mail-fx0-f41.google.com with SMTP id s10so3855921faa.14 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.113.101 with SMTP id ix5mr10262567lab.23.1321532498800; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:21:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1321501066.64722.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:21:38 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:50 AM, maikxlx wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:37 PM, John E Clifford > wrote: >> >> I don't find either "Dogs are mammals" or "Man walked on the Moon" in an= y >> way odd. > > As I tried to convey in my reply to Pierre Abbat, it's just a little odd > that that in the former case we have a necessary universal situation and = in > the latter case we have a marginal existential situation, and yet in Lojb= an > both have (or are allowed to have) exactly the same logical form.=A0 Mayb= e not > odd, but curious at least. Similarly curious are "Merkel is a woman" and "Merkel had a beer", with the same logical form even though in one case we have a universal situation and in the other an existential one. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.