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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_11590137_AHjHjkQAAEACTsT8WwIkeDYZU+A Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:10:37 -0600 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.187 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / But we have the same logical form, simple predication. What is different, = if anything, seems to be a matter best dealt with using modals or some simi= lar device -- in Lojban, anyway. Sent from my iPad On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:21 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:50 AM, maikxlx wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:37 PM, John E Clifford >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> I don't find either "Dogs are mammals" or "Man walked on the Moon" in a= ny >>> way odd. >>=20 >> As I tried to convey in my reply to Pierre Abbat, it's just a little odd >> that that in the former case we have a necessary universal situation and= in >> the latter case we have a marginal existential situation, and yet in Loj= ban >> both have (or are allowed to have) exactly the same logical form. Maybe= not >> odd, but curious at least. >=20 > Similarly curious are "Merkel is a woman" and "Merkel had a beer", > with the same logical form even though in one case we have a universal > situation and in the other an existential one. >=20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.