Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:46157) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRAJT-00016x-OO; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:20:15 -0800 Received: by faaq24 with SMTP id q24sf1059726faa.16 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:20:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uz40e4iswldmE1UZnO0pC+2BnpkkXFVE5Mo5PuN42lk=; b=4WSoq5F4j7KS3On/glJzFfOOzHxztubH93/Ey3KWZ/O0UbvdHWT+IKGobuuv+1PWYh g2UBgkeju598uG2qRLWSbDtFcZHjRFSVKGYn5sDRfKomy+lF8V8kcz1C/33xh3o3YbIU Z4NvizkTHVsVWB8EK6woEIWLTsPxNlzc/0C+k= Received: by 10.223.58.75 with SMTP id f11mr179807fah.34.1321568397755; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.21.193 with SMTP id k1ls4187901fab.2.gmail; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr90885bku.1.1321568396190; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr90884bku.1.1321568396135; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com (mail-fx0-f44.google.com [209.85.161.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p12si1759354fad.1.2011.11.17.14.19.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.44; Received: by mail-fx0-f44.google.com with SMTP id p16so5309369faa.31 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.202 with SMTP id so10mr388077lab.9.1321568395298; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EC584A3.6050401@kli.org> References: <20b482a7-b58a-4e4a-a3f7-27b49ba861c0@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201111171409.08825.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4d00e419-9ede-42cf-963e-7a394bcbed13@d17g2000yql.googlegroups.com> <4EC584A3.6050401@kli.org> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:19:55 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New PA-proposal From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / 2011/11/17 Mark E. Shoulson : > Thus klaku, from the proposal: >> a) =A0 =A0 =A0All number strings then refer to the same number, describi= ng it in >> different ways. This means you can say something wrong. ({li pai su'o >> vo} refers to "pi, which is more than 4", for instance.) > > I think this is likely a bad idea, and will lead to trouble. Might prefer= to > just forbid more than one "number string" per number, or else come up > with... a better meaning for it. I proposed something similar here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Inexact+Numbers Two adjacent simple quantifiers are interpreted, when possible, as if joined with .e: ro ci broda all three brodas, all brodas and three brodas. rau su'o mu broda enough at least five brodas, enough brodas and at least five brodas. su'o ci su'e bi broda at least three at most eight brodas at least three brodas and at most eight brodas between three and eight brodas (inclusive) Two adjacent simple quantifiers are interpreted, when joining them with .e would give a contradiction, as if joined with .a: me'i ci za'u ci broda less than three more than three brodas less than three brodas or more than three brodas i.e. other than three brodas mo'a du'e broda too few too many brodas too few brodas or too many brodas the wrong number of brodas mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.