Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:62568) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRB6t-0001UM-6g; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:15 -0800 Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10sf6947vbb.16 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rget/v1ToBpJrxr1LNpzQejCEzvwVwHKaphrmIb6FE4=; b=cvrhybwgUVEuR5rQBolovpXdtcUzUGU/x1u88a4DyW+S+9yhJxrG45my52rIB4VPc4 JLZa5Tz1pqeubEhh72BXhld2tpOcIzsqJtUbDxeaSpi6uz7YqReF7jhRksnYJMSjqIXw 7k/5GeqQIMpYpMwnJES2IDbRO+RZ5aOEmc9Xw= Received: by 10.52.92.232 with SMTP id cp8mr506109vdb.13.1321571461947; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:01 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.208.32 with SMTP id k32ls2920825anq.5.gmail; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.193.18 with SMTP id v18mr194974anp.13.1321571460872; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.193.18 with SMTP id v18mr194973anp.13.1321571460852; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f179.google.com (mail-gx0-f179.google.com [209.85.161.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d63si1925180yhe.2.2011.11.17.15.11.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.179; Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so2166297ggn.24 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.57.33 with SMTP id f1mr3111524pbq.104.1321571460507; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.224.8 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:11:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1321501066.64722.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:11:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like From: maikxlx To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=maikxlx@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I need to correct an earlier paragraph. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:32 PM, maikxlx wrote: > It dawns on me in passing that in the case of {lo remna cu mabru} what > appears to be universal quantification over x1 is probably built into > the meaning {mabru} in a similar way that a kind-abstractor over x2 > seems to be built into the meaning of {finti}. So maybe {X mabru} > entails {ro X mabru} automatically by predicate definition, and maybe > these "curiosities" are fewer than they appear. > This is totally wrong under both xorlo and CLL. Starting with: (1a) {lo lurdzu cu remna}, which seems uncontroversial insofar as all moon walkers have been human. We've already established: (1a) {lo remna cu lurdzu}, despite the fact that only a small part on humanity has walked on the moon. Just as uncontroversial as (1a) is: (2a) {lo mabru cu danlu}. If (1a):(1b)::(2a):(2b), then: (2b) {lo danlu cu mabru}, however curious*, must also be acceptable at least under some interpretations. Since: (2b') {ro lo danlu cu mabru} is always untrue, it follows that the x1 of {mabla} cannot have implicit universal quantification under xorlo logic without contradiction with (2b). *I say this is curious because if xorlo {lo danlu} is glorked (contextually, say) as danlu-kind, then this is false (as it intuitively should be), whereas {lo mabru cu danlu} is probably always true under any domain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.