Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:33453) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRCEE-00026I-UW; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:56 -0800 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33sf565113pzk.16 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3mJxW8X6FTE9GGLlYTxSIKps0y0PO/XzFHhf68JtCck=; b=z7mE+RNdEliS9yJk7gqdyNORVDqscE0FOXGcMDjMe+DtdtabnLYDYUyePczcW/wUS5 vH0YIJ60nu64yi/93SP7q9VSHRZ5aB4vY+icu0U1dbk8H1T34hJQR7DbG21IY9T0vGhZ jOuLBuzqi6bxAOwc3ZfUJRFqnMTF37AHaTKno= Received: by 10.68.12.105 with SMTP id x9mr435525pbb.6.1321575762116; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.12.106 with SMTP id x10ls8462667pbb.3.gmail; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.59.229 with SMTP id c5mr2177894pbr.6.1321575761467; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.59.229 with SMTP id c5mr2177892pbr.6.1321575761457; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2si3640919pba.0.2011.11.17.16.22.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.41; Received: by mail-pz0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 37so3784995pzk.0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.38.41 with SMTP id d9mr3625964pbk.103.1321575761286; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.224.8 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1321501066.64722.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:22:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like From: maikxlx To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=maikxlx@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / 2011/11/17 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > "ka'e" is "fi'o se cumki". The connection with "kakne" is just mnemonic. > Is this a newish development? {ka'e} is also a rafsi of {kakne}, often a strong sign of relatedness. Meanwhile, vlasisku, BPFK section CAhA, cmavo.txt and the CLL say nothing about {cumki} wrt {ka'e}. Also, while {cumki} does express possibility, {ka'e}, from the given definitions, seems to be more about ability than possibility. In order to say things like "it possibly brodas" and "it necessarily brodas" I have to believe that these concepts should have their own words, without mixing ability into it. These primitive logical operators strike me as vastly worth assigning two disyllables from cmavo space, especially in light of some of the other things available. Just my 2 cents. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.