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So what do you think about this definition?

fetyjavnakykai: c1=n1=f1 has/is characterized by evidencing male or(/and)
female traits/aspects c2=n2=f2 (ka) of species n2=f2; x1 has the sex/gender
of being male or(/and) female of species x3.

Notes: x2 may be biological and/or sociological defined; x2 may be a
general definition (male/female) or based on particular
characteristics/traits (biological (xadni), state of external genitalia
(pinji or plibu), internal genitalia (ganti), sexual/social norms (te
cinse/jikca) etc).

mu'o mi'e jongausib

2011/11/9 djandus <jandew@gmail.com>

> The way I see it, gismu are preferably things that can be *clearly* defined.
> If the meaning isn't apparent, then how are we supposed to use it?
>
> When I look at the issue of gender, I see a few different things:
> the question of what kind of gametes you have, which is generally the same
> as...
> the question of what kind of gamete-producing structure you have, which is
> {terganti}
> the question of what your 23rd chromosomal pair consists of, which is
> related to {jgina be fi lo ganti}
> and, finally,
> the question of whether you are male or female, which is entirely
> culturally defined. *There is no way to define it explicity.* For this
> reason, I'm of the opinion that if you need to use a word as
> culture-specific as "male" or "female" (or analogous words in other
> languages), then use fu'ivla or, simply, {la}.
>
> It's not that it's too complicated to be a word, it's that it's too
> culturally dependent to be a lojban gismu.
>
> NOTE: I purposefully left sexual preference off the list. At least to me,
> I've always been able to easily separate "male vs. female" from sexual
> preference throughout my upbringing. Similarly, Lojban already has them
> clearly separated already. (tercinse) So, IMO, that issue's already covered.
>
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So what do you think about this definition?<br><br><tt>fetyjavnakykai: c1=
=3Dn1=3Df1 </tt>has/is characterized by evidencing male or(/and) female tra=
its/aspects c<sub>2</sub>=3Dn2=3Df2 (ka) of species n2=3Df2; x1 has the sex=
/gender of being male or(/and) female of species x3.<br>
<br>Notes: x2 may be biological and/or sociological defined; x2 may be a ge=
neral definition (male/female) or based on particular characteristics/trait=
s (biological (xadni), state of external genitalia (pinji or plibu), intern=
al genitalia (ganti), sexual/social norms (te cinse/jikca) etc).<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e jongausib<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/11/9=
 djandus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jandew@gmail.com">jandew@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
The way I see it, gismu are preferably things that can be <i>clearly</i>=A0=
defined. If the meaning isn&#39;t apparent, then how are we supposed to use=
 it?<div><br></div><div>When I look at the issue of gender, I see a few dif=
ferent things:</div>
<div>the question of what kind of gametes you have, which is generally the =
same as...</div><div>the question of what kind of gamete-producing structur=
e you have, which is {terganti}</div><div>the question of what your 23rd ch=
romosomal pair consists of, which is related to {jgina be fi lo ganti}</div=
>
<div>and, finally,</div><div>the question of whether you are male or female=
, which is entirely culturally defined. <i>There is no way to define it exp=
licity.</i>=A0For this reason, I&#39;m of the opinion that if you need to u=
se a word as culture-specific as &quot;male&quot; or &quot;female&quot; (or=
 analogous words in other languages), then use fu&#39;ivla or, simply, {la}=
.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not that it&#39;s too complicated to be a word=
, it&#39;s that it&#39;s too culturally dependent to be a lojban gismu.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>NOTE: I purposefully left sexual preference off the l=
ist. At least to me, I&#39;ve always been able to easily separate &quot;mal=
e vs. female&quot; from sexual preference throughout my upbringing. Similar=
ly, Lojban already has them clearly separated already. (tercinse) So, IMO, =
that issue&#39;s already covered.</div>
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