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I think the word is too long. Other than that I have no opinion.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>w=
rote:

> So what do you think about this definition?
>
> fetyjavnakykai: c1=3Dn1=3Df1 has/is characterized by evidencing male or(/=
and)
> female traits/aspects c2=3Dn2=3Df2 (ka) of species n2=3Df2; x1 has the
> sex/gender of being male or(/and) female of species x3.
>
> Notes: x2 may be biological and/or sociological defined; x2 may be a
> general definition (male/female) or based on particular
> characteristics/traits (biological (xadni), state of external genitalia
> (pinji or plibu), internal genitalia (ganti), sexual/social norms (te
> cinse/jikca) etc).
>
> mu'o mi'e jongausib
>
>
> 2011/11/9 djandus <jandew@gmail.com>
>
>> The way I see it, gismu are preferably things that can be *clearly* defi=
ned.
>> If the meaning isn't apparent, then how are we supposed to use it?
>>
>> When I look at the issue of gender, I see a few different things:
>> the question of what kind of gametes you have, which is generally the
>> same as...
>> the question of what kind of gamete-producing structure you have, which
>> is {terganti}
>> the question of what your 23rd chromosomal pair consists of, which is
>> related to {jgina be fi lo ganti}
>> and, finally,
>> the question of whether you are male or female, which is entirely
>> culturally defined. *There is no way to define it explicity.* For this
>> reason, I'm of the opinion that if you need to use a word as
>> culture-specific as "male" or "female" (or analogous words in other
>> languages), then use fu'ivla or, simply, {la}.
>>
>> It's not that it's too complicated to be a word, it's that it's too
>> culturally dependent to be a lojban gismu.
>>
>> NOTE: I purposefully left sexual preference off the list. At least to me=
,
>> I've always been able to easily separate "male vs. female" from sexual
>> preference throughout my upbringing. Similarly, Lojban already has them
>> clearly separated already. (tercinse) So, IMO, that issue's already cove=
red.
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I think the word is too long. Other than that I have no opinion.<br><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:so.cool.ogi@gmail.com">so.cool.ogi@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">So what do you think about this definition?=
<br><br><tt>fetyjavnakykai: c1=3Dn1=3Df1 </tt>has/is characterized by evide=
ncing male or(/and) female traits/aspects c<sub>2</sub>=3Dn2=3Df2 (ka) of s=
pecies n2=3Df2; x1 has the sex/gender of being male or(/and) female of spec=
ies x3.<br>

<br>Notes: x2 may be biological and/or sociological defined; x2 may be a ge=
neral definition (male/female) or based on particular characteristics/trait=
s (biological (xadni), state of external genitalia (pinji or plibu), intern=
al genitalia (ganti), sexual/social norms (te cinse/jikca) etc).<br>

<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e jongausib<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/11/9 djandus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:jandew@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jandew@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

The way I see it, gismu are preferably things that can be <i>clearly</i>=A0=
defined. If the meaning isn&#39;t apparent, then how are we supposed to use=
 it?<div><br></div><div>When I look at the issue of gender, I see a few dif=
ferent things:</div>

<div>the question of what kind of gametes you have, which is generally the =
same as...</div><div>the question of what kind of gamete-producing structur=
e you have, which is {terganti}</div><div>the question of what your 23rd ch=
romosomal pair consists of, which is related to {jgina be fi lo ganti}</div=
>

<div>and, finally,</div><div>the question of whether you are male or female=
, which is entirely culturally defined. <i>There is no way to define it exp=
licity.</i>=A0For this reason, I&#39;m of the opinion that if you need to u=
se a word as culture-specific as &quot;male&quot; or &quot;female&quot; (or=
 analogous words in other languages), then use fu&#39;ivla or, simply, {la}=
.</div>

<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not that it&#39;s too complicated to be a word=
, it&#39;s that it&#39;s too culturally dependent to be a lojban gismu.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>NOTE: I purposefully left sexual preference off the l=
ist. At least to me, I&#39;ve always been able to easily separate &quot;mal=
e vs. female&quot; from sexual preference throughout my upbringing. Similar=
ly, Lojban already has them clearly separated already. (tercinse) So, IMO, =
that issue&#39;s already covered.</div>

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