2011/11/18 Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>

not longer than a= lot of common swedish compund words I use regularly. I think medium-long l= ujvos won't be a problem when people becomes more familiar with the lan= guage. Anyway I really need a general word for the word gender as this conc= ept is used a lot in academic discourse, and the other proposed definitions= , like te ganti and te cinse, are too specific.

x2 may also be neither male or female.

mi'e jongausib mu'= ;o

2011/11/18 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>

I think the word = is too long. Other than that I have no opinion.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Sebasti= an Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

So what do you th= ink about this definition?

fetyjavnakykai: c1=3Dn1=3Df1 has= /is characterized by evidencing male or(/and) female traits/aspects c₂₌=3Dn2=3Df2 (ka) of species n2=3Df2; x1 has the sex/gender of being ma= le or(/and) female of species x3.

Notes: x2 may be biological and/or sociological defined; x2 may be a ge= neral definition (male/female) or based on particular characteristics/trait= s (biological (xadni), state of external genitalia (pinji or plibu), intern= al genitalia (ganti), sexual/social norms (te cinse/jikca) etc).

mu'o mi'e jongausib

2011/11/9 djandus <jandew@gmail.com>
The way I see it, gismu are preferably things that can be clearly=A0= defined. If the meaning isn't apparent, then how are we supposed to use= it?

When I look at the issue of gender, I see a few dif= ferent things:

the question of what kind of gametes you have, which is generally the = same as...
the question of what kind of gamete-producing structur= e you have, which is {terganti}
the question of what your 23rd ch= romosomal pair consists of, which is related to {jgina be fi lo ganti}
and, finally,
the question of whether you are male or female= , which is entirely culturally defined. There is no way to define it exp= licity.=A0For this reason, I'm of the opinion that if you need to u= se a word as culture-specific as "male" or "female" (or= analogous words in other languages), then use fu'ivla or, simply, {la}= .

It's not that it's too complicated to be a word= , it's that it's too culturally dependent to be a lojban gismu.

NOTE: I purposefully left sexual preference off the l= ist. At least to me, I've always been able to easily separate "mal= e vs. female" from sexual preference throughout my upbringing. Similar= ly, Lojban already has them clearly separated already. (tercinse) So, IMO, = that issue's already covered.

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