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The confusion is an old one in Logic (Aristotle, for example, on dynamis). =
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However, here we do have some kinds of distinctions about what the opposing=
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force is (I forget whether {cunmki} has a place for conditions -- it should=
).



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Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like

2011/11/17 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> "ka'e" is "fi'o se cumki". The connection with "kakne" is just mnemonic.
>

Is this a newish development?  {ka'e} is also a rafsi of {kakne},
often a strong sign of relatedness.  Meanwhile, vlasisku, BPFK section
CAhA, cmavo.txt and the CLL say nothing about {cumki} wrt {ka'e}.

Also, while {cumki} does express possibility, {ka'e}, from the given
definitions, seems to be more about ability than possibility.  In
order to say things like "it possibly brodas" and "it necessarily
brodas" I have to believe that these concepts should have their own
words, without mixing ability into it.  These primitive logical
operators strike me as vastly worth assigning two disyllables from
cmavo space, especially in light of some of the other things
available. Just my 2 cents.

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