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[66.94.236.29]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 2si391244ybc.0.2011.11.18.08.22.58; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.29 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.29; Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2011 16:22:58 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.112] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2011 16:22:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2011 16:22:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 786615.28521.bm@omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 49194 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2011 16:22:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xaLEWPwVM1mFB45Rp8.zDUaRjELtYmXeyRdFOlSo6vu8XaN iye.EGdArWNcQVxES8kKWocoPSPl9Xz3RTTvT14uvTaNVvXg9gne1xvk6zH5 7TFKySPbNPvaWcptw44k.8LEXVg1t5nLzufu44b_.fc14l4y9czeJOR.JEeZ dPhnE.eJgOwjYDluS56ioOGj9QRhBSlwh3PTTjlk9.GLXmzMVO2AP6vWM96I vnsjp4hYWe23FV9XtgPsoiSdQw9xaL72b1xTsez2vhzHupbWKd2iFSlop3Vx 35NrepvIvcTrCVNvzz5in8qEW64bbMG43EH50F4eGZ.oPRHhjEDWoM_f1S4n FEFwa9OckMoZM.49zeWUUoLt5ukIrdnpiBeijpXnt.AdYTCkd9rmtu01B3JM CQ0WdlkberirxktXVSV.uBuWickWgXnzZIliIp9k.CgyQ2tRss9EUieUPTfq ZjfeK.FWejCvapvAWOY52K2d9oL4xX13BX8q.ptzmxBgSJLSpoVldvOlOgBs JUB_ktdgxb8OKRJleJ.fRUto- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:22:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/589 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1321501066.64722.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1321633378.40376.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:22:58 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Amen. ----- Original Message ---- From: maikxlx To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, November 17, 2011 6:22:41 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like 2011/11/17 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > "ka'e" is "fi'o se cumki". The connection with "kakne" is just mnemonic. > Is this a newish development? {ka'e} is also a rafsi of {kakne}, often a strong sign of relatedness. Meanwhile, vlasisku, BPFK section CAhA, cmavo.txt and the CLL say nothing about {cumki} wrt {ka'e}. Also, while {cumki} does express possibility, {ka'e}, from the given definitions, seems to be more about ability than possibility. In order to say things like "it possibly brodas" and "it necessarily brodas" I have to believe that these concepts should have their own words, without mixing ability into it. These primitive logical operators strike me as vastly worth assigning two disyllables from cmavo space, especially in light of some of the other things available. Just my 2 cents. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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