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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, maikxlx <maikxlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:29 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > JCB had at least one course in Logic but in a school that did not favor
> modal
> > logic at all.  I don't know how well he did in even that one (Lojbab
> does not
> > improve the logic input much).  But in 56 years, the efforts to get
> necessity
> > operators in have come to naught -- though eventually we got something
> like a
> > necessity predicate,
> >
> Is there a brivla for logical or modal necessity?
>

  Does nibli meet your requirements?
              --gejyspa


>
> If I may confess something, I have been studying Lojban on and off for
> years, and every time I get into a learning groove I encounter some
> facet of the language that strikes me as so bizarre or absurd that it
> stops me in my tracks.  The lack of a necessity operator and the
> questionable status of {ka'e} make the current situation no exception.
>
> I had absolutely no intention of suggesting reforms or additions
> because although nearly aspect of the language screams for them, the
> fact of the matter is that reform is not in the cards and the
> language's foundation is pretty much set in stone.  However here I
> think that I will simply use {ne'e} when I need it, and possibly
> {ci'a} too until I convince myself that {ka'e} does what xorxes claims
> it does.  I understand there is an experimental cmavo process, but I
> am going to short-circuit it.  Waiting 56 years for "necessarily" is
> outrageous.
>
> mu'o mi'e .maik.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:39 PM, maikxlx <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:maikxlx@gmail.com">maikxlx@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:29 AM, John E Clifford &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>&gt; JCB had at least one course in Logic but in a school that did not fav=
or modal<br>
&gt; logic at all. =A0I don&#39;t know how well he did in even that one (Lo=
jbab does not<br>&gt; improve the logic input much). =A0But in 56 years, th=
e efforts to get necessity<br>&gt; operators in have come to naught -- thou=
gh eventually we got something like a<br>
&gt; necessity predicate,<br>&gt;<br></div>Is there a brivla for logical or=
 modal necessity?<br></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0 Does nibli meet your requirements?</div>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>If I may confess something, =
I have been studying Lojban on and off for<br>years, and every time I get i=
nto a learning groove I encounter some<br>
facet of the language that strikes me as so bizarre or absurd that it<br>st=
ops me in my tracks. =A0The lack of a necessity operator and the<br>questio=
nable status of {ka&#39;e} make the current situation no exception.<br><br>
I had absolutely no intention of suggesting reforms or additions<br>because=
 although nearly aspect of the language screams for them, the<br>fact of th=
e matter is that reform is not in the cards and the<br>language&#39;s found=
ation is pretty much set in stone. =A0However here I<br>
think that I will simply use {ne&#39;e} when I need it, and possibly<br>{ci=
&#39;a} too until I convince myself that {ka&#39;e} does what xorxes claims=
<br>it does. =A0I understand there is an experimental cmavo process, but I<=
br>
am going to short-circuit it. =A0Waiting 56 years for &quot;necessarily&quo=
t; is<br>outrageous.<br>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .maik.<br><br>--<br>You received th=
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