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Yes. {le} is tricky (I'm having a related problem in Basque).  The key thing is 
specificity (I think that's the right word, technically); you know pretty much 
exactly what you are talking about (even if you get the predicate wrong).  I 
tend not to use it until I have already talked in a more general way about the 
referent or when it is also overtly marked (possessive pronoun, "here" and the 
like).  But in the case of a focused search of this sort, it seems appropriate. 
It happens that {lo} is always appropriate -- if you have the predicate right. 
So, yes, Ido use {le} when I am in doubt, or when I think mt listeners have a 
different belief about the object question ("Juno was a man" sorts of caases, 
The Quiet Game?)




----- Original Message ----
From: maikxlx <maikxlx@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 18, 2011 11:01:54 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:16 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The glorking can be made explicit in various ways.  I, of course, take the {lo
> danlu cu mabru} case as disjunctive predication, assuming that {lo danlu} is
> here one of those superbunches.  But this presents no problems (as do not the
> others either) if taken as local bunches: unknown animal being investigated,
> find drops of lactation in lair, so conclude above.
>
I am still not 100% sure how bunches work (I am still working through
that 400+ email thread on {zo'e} which prompted my email on
truth-conditional semantics).  But in the case of a specific kind of
unknown animal, say a duck-billed platypus, intuitively I would want
to say {le danlu cu mabru}.  That's how I have internalized Lojban,
whether that is currently right or wrong.

Off the top of my head, the only context in which I can imagine saying
something like {lo danlu cu mabru} is if I were trying to explain to
someone what a {danlu} is, e.g. {.i lo danlu cu mabru .i lo danlu cu
cinki .i lo danlu cu se klesi so'i lo jmive}

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