Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:41195) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRUiH-0001yY-H5; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:07:06 -0800 Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29sf9133694qyk.16 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VCL4ceUg7N96j7+e4MhhuFpUQ1UNKqF4d913PpqoWuM=; b=dMr6dxcGmr5lw5+tUBC+uYZCnpuKuHTmg7C06EW0Iz8jHAxLQnugkU2fdPPlXMOHMa iVxpS8HVICnUpYLg3SYjCud9poxJFbCZLeqI0hK6FNbIJN+aLroTj12SvQ1ouTzHTJNN 6KKZaOPufF+xxhJUBs0KJNvTpyq7/EEtwVuEc= Received: by 10.224.191.1 with SMTP id dk1mr661598qab.9.1321646816331; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:56 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.208.32 with SMTP id k32ls240922anq.5.gmail; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.95.2 with SMTP id x2mr1305664anl.25.1321646814261; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.95.2 with SMTP id x2mr1305663anl.25.1321646814246; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f169.google.com (mail-yx0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2si497189ybc.0.2011.11.18.12.06.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.169; Received: by mail-yx0-f169.google.com with SMTP id m10so3799666yen.14 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.139.4 with SMTP id qu4mr1057563obb.13.1321646814142; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.57.228 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:06:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EC6A92C.2080008@gmail.com> References: <1320681459.44222.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320687357.85830.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EB81C9F.4090300@gmail.com> <1320689797.1887.4.camel@fagricipni-desktop> <4EB823B4.4080700@gmail.com> <4EB82487.1080608@gmail.com> <4EB82819.2010603@gmail.com> <35370FB6-7C1C-4B21-80EF-56F2213B58DE@yahoo.com> <4EB845AE.3080907@gmail.com> <1320722048.69601.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7641736.693.1320815625242.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqpp12> <4EC69B3C.70800@gmail.com> <4EC6A92C.2080008@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:06:54 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] gender From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 18 November 2011 18:51, vitci'i wrote: >>> How about if we just let {cinse} mean gender, and move sexuality to {gledji}? >> >> Yes, we could generalize {cinse} up to a point where it would cover >> the spectrum mentioned by J.E.C. above and would provide a more >> productive rafsi: >> >> gincinse - genetic gender >> jikcinse - social gender >> klucinse - cultural gender >> etc. > > I'm actually talking about making {cinse} less general -- it already > means gender; I just want to make it not also mean sexuality. How do you understand the term "sexuality" in the definition of {cinse}? What is the sort of ka that you don't want the x2 to exhibit? > I also really want to have the explicit x3 and x4 places of {cinse} when > talking about gender, so that I can say things like {cinse fi so'i da} > or {cinse fo ma}. What would those places mean? Would they not be expressible through BAIs? mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.