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On 11/18/2011 02:06 PM, tijlan wrote:
> On 18 November 2011 18:51, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> How about if we just let {cinse} mean gender, and move sexuality to {gledji}?
>>>
>>> Yes, we could generalize {cinse} up to a point where it would cover
>>> the spectrum mentioned by J.E.C. above and would provide a more
>>> productive rafsi:
>>>
>>> gincinse - genetic gender
>>> jikcinse - social gender
>>> klucinse - cultural gender
>>> etc.
>>
>> I'm actually talking about making {cinse} less general -- it already
>> means gender; I just want to make it not also mean sexuality.
> 
> How do you understand the term "sexuality" in the definition of
> {cinse}? What is the sort of ka that you don't want the x2 to exhibit?

I understand it to mean, and don't want it to mean, gledji.

>> I also really want to have the explicit x3 and x4 places of {cinse} when
>> talking about gender, so that I can say things like {cinse fi so'i da}
>> or {cinse fo ma}.
> 
> What would those places mean? Would they not be expressible through BAIs?

I'm not sure where your question is coming from; they'd mean the same
thing they currently do. Possible x4s might include gender of
identification (sevzi), gender performance, sex/gender assigned at
birth, anatomical sex, and chromosomal sex. Possible x3s (belonging to
various x4s) might include masculine, feminine, androgynous, butch,
femme, boi, fetsi, nakni, intersex, hermaphroditic, and of
asexually-reproducing species.

What BAIs would you use? {ci'e} might work for x4, but I think you'd
need a cinse modal for the x3.

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