Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:60566) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRWjo-0002ZR-9n; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:50 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf3999686bka.16 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=toKqAm2y73kqoPC2Eoxovd5bdrK8EDdDEI4hMWesBVA=; b=uTnqAz8dsbzvHY34oy42i6sNuH6xvlZT2H4g9hAK4jNX13KsHR6KJWRu8TLB+rGgM3 jBC8ItRAYFvaHi5VauGUq49EUZV7t7ke3mW6NnideUI/iXG2Ee4D6Gb4KZN4OK0fS0+W xHz8m2VQgcOz3PBDib95p8LqMZU+SvXORcC6c= Received: by 10.204.153.202 with SMTP id l10mr840535bkw.0.1321654598244; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.33.136 with SMTP id h8ls3715023bkd.0.gmail; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.127.148 with SMTP id ha20mr752034bkc.6.1321654596468; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.127.148 with SMTP id ha20mr752033bkc.6.1321654596448; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com (mail-fx0-f43.google.com [209.85.161.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z19si63479fad.1.2011.11.18.14.16.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.43; Received: by mail-fx0-f43.google.com with SMTP id n24so6398929faa.2 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.102.148 with SMTP id fo20mr3136148lab.51.1321654596267; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:16:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20b482a7-b58a-4e4a-a3f7-27b49ba861c0@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201111171409.08825.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4d00e419-9ede-42cf-963e-7a394bcbed13@d17g2000yql.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:16:36 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New PA-proposal From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:50 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > It seems that people are attempting to create a grammar for PA that produ= ces > all and ONLY those number strings that make sense. This is worthwhile, I > think, but also unnecessary. We don't worry about which letters produce > grammatical sentences, only which words. Not the best analogy. PAs are words, and in any case letters have very strict restrictions on how they can be combined to form words. In fact, in Lojban there are two and only two letters that may be said to belong to the same "letter-selma'o", i.e. such that they can always occupy the same position in a phonologically valid word. All other letters have their own individual grammars. (Exercise for the reader: which letters are those?) > Also, given that Lojban's grammar > treats all gismu equally and all members of a selma'o equally, there is > strong precedent=A0for not creating special grammar for PA. The grammar of PA would amount to splitting PA into several selma'o, of cou= rse. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.