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We're actually on about Logjam vii going back to 1955.  That is the direct =
line with JCB or LLG in charge.  I know of maybe half a  dozen spinoffs, no=
ne of the very active, and I don't know what has happened over at Loglan. W=
e're about par for the course, with Lojban as a more successful Ido.  Lojba=
n took some, but not all, of the next Loglan suggestions, added a few new o=
nes, and threw out a few things.  And has done more alteration since.
{zilni,'I} is still linked to logical necessity, which is rarely the intere=
sting case (all S5 and the like).

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On Nov 18, 2011, at 1:20 PM, maikxlx <maikxlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:13 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> w=
rote:
>> Amen.  The line for Logjam III forms on the left.
>>=20
> I am surprised that this seriously has not happened yet.  Esperanto
> has inspired dozens of reform projects over the years.
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> w=
rote:
>> Not really, but it can be massaged to do the work.  The ideal would be "=
x1
>> is necessary under condition/compulsion x2"
>>=20
> As an early Christmas present, I offer you and the Lojban community {ziln=
i'i}.
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