Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:35964) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRXg3-0002nm-Dz; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:17:04 -0800 Received: by vcbfk1 with SMTP id fk1sf4257027vcb.16 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6qoIFehP/k+fWXrQSfdZRLU0INvTMsLQzQHdlODJ+O8=; b=uEdpNnxUqG1ipyzCc69YArTJYUg1bwvzIGMtY3csYjRlg8jYMaO/bmKcZOV3dtKqKU 5Nr5kxbiA/LNMlfBCSpZHR1Rj0Lyvk45ERyIB7PB/KpSKu8/vN63bP0bUUMzCWQtbdpp uuZqO1V8zV670qsCzAbu7oJMO0x9hPqyE1C7M= Received: by 10.52.97.3 with SMTP id dw3mr2428016vdb.16.1321658210405; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.55.11 with SMTP id h11ls6705477ank.4.gmail; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.131.9 with SMTP id i9mr1372711ann.50.1321658208956; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.131.9 with SMTP id i9mr1372710ann.50.1321658208939; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f178.google.com (mail-yx0-f178.google.com [209.85.213.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r67si681190yhe.6.2011.11.18.15.16.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.178; Received: by yenm9 with SMTP id m9so2454166yen.23 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.199.6 with SMTP id jg6mr13507834pbc.26.1321658208670; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.224.8 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:16:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20b482a7-b58a-4e4a-a3f7-27b49ba861c0@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201111171409.08825.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4d00e419-9ede-42cf-963e-7a394bcbed13@d17g2000yql.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New PA-proposal From: maikxlx To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: maikxlx@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of maikxlx@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=maikxlx@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / 2011/11/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:50 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : >> It seems that people are attempting to create a grammar for PA that prod= uces >> all and ONLY those number strings that make sense. This is worthwhile, I >> think, but also unnecessary. We don't worry about which letters produce >> grammatical sentences, only which words. > > Not the best analogy. PAs are words, and in any case letters have very > strict restrictions on how they can be combined to form words. In > fact, in Lojban there are two and only two letters that may be said to > belong to the same "letter-selma'o", i.e. such that they can always > occupy the same position in a phonologically valid word. All other > letters have their own individual grammars. (Exercise for the reader: > which letters are those?) > You have a knack for summing things up. My guess is {e} and {o}, by the wa= y. >> Also, given that Lojban's grammar >> treats all gismu equally and all members of a selma'o equally, there is >> strong precedent=A0for not creating special grammar for PA. > > The grammar of PA would amount to splitting PA into several selma'o, of c= ourse. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > IMVHO we should be seeing proposals for fewer selma'o, not more. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.