Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:44114) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRXmx-0002pn-TB; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:24:12 -0800 Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10sf1332891vbb.16 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:24:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cUrFSGmVcSY12E8XYq1tZyjSbX2w/Ev3mq6I1oCygco=; b=Y4UPh4unHzIwms8xJ29hbJsT5B7Z95VE7o49kekcDRMu2JUqlFhjzI+Y5YoXPtGFaq DXeXPSGWNREbDBJc8r8QdnddTVBUcFUcQxq99z/c3OHgrZihCc7X9HhrDiKizrmzXP9P W350XnuMW8bxGv4zECKN3VDQ1oeLa4ycGMEOw= Received: by 10.52.76.71 with SMTP id i7mr1278115vdw.19.1321658638744; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.20.204 with SMTP id p12ls236001vde.1.gmail; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.131 with SMTP id fs3mr7396724vdc.4.1321658637257; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.131 with SMTP id fs3mr7396719vdc.4.1321658637173; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bu17si1100816vdc.0.2011.11.18.15.23.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by vbnl22 with SMTP id l22so847083vbn.26 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.22.170 with SMTP id e10mr5595164vdf.75.1321658636896; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.6.163 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:23:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20b482a7-b58a-4e4a-a3f7-27b49ba861c0@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201111171409.08825.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4d00e419-9ede-42cf-963e-7a394bcbed13@d17g2000yql.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New PA-proposal From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:16 PM, maikxlx wrote: > 2011/11/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:50 AM, MorphemeAddict wrot= e: >>> It seems that people are attempting to create a grammar for PA that pro= duces >>> all and ONLY those number strings that make sense. This is worthwhile, = I >>> think, but also unnecessary. We don't worry about which letters produce >>> grammatical sentences, only which words. >> >> Not the best analogy. PAs are words, and in any case letters have very >> strict restrictions on how they can be combined to form words. In >> fact, in Lojban there are two and only two letters that may be said to >> belong to the same "letter-selma'o", i.e. such that they can always >> occupy the same position in a phonologically valid word. All other >> letters have their own individual grammars. (Exercise for the reader: >> which letters are those?) >> > You have a knack for summing things up. =A0My guess is {e} and {o}, by th= e way. It's a clever challenge. I can't think of anything to make either e/o or i/u the wrong answer, but I'm probably overlooking something. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.