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On 18 November 2011 22:14, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm actually talking about making {cinse} less general -- it already
>>> means gender; I just want to make it not also mean sexuality.
>>
>> How do you understand the term "sexuality" in the definition of
>> {cinse}? What is the sort of ka that you don't want the x2 to exhibit?
>
> I understand it to mean, and don't want it to mean, gledji.

What would be an example bridi with {cinse} in that sense? And how
would that possibility be a trouble?


>>> I also really want to have the explicit x3 and x4 places of {cinse} when
>>> talking about gender, so that I can say things like {cinse fi so'i da}
>>> or {cinse fo ma}.
>>
>> What would those places mean? Would they not be expressible through BAIs?
>
> I'm not sure where your question is coming from; they'd mean the same
> thing they currently do.

We already can say things like {cinse fi so'i da} or {cinse fo ma},
but you seemed to be suggesting you couldn't and wanted to add
"explicit" places for that, so I guessed you were talking about some
hypothetical new {cinse} with a different place structure.


> Possible x4s might include gender of
> identification (sevzi), gender performance, sex/gender assigned at
> birth, anatomical sex, and chromosomal sex.

According to the current definition, the x4 is the standard by which
the x3 is deduced from the x2. How would "gender performance" etc. be
such a reference frame? Sounds more like the x2, the event in which a
gender is exhibited.


mu'o

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