Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:44359) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRZcI-0003UF-9O; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:23 -0800 Received: by vcbfk1 with SMTP id fk1sf4439495vcb.16 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-ct-class:x-ct-score:x-ct-refid:x-ct-spam :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:organization :user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rSs47u+LSpOJgB2awEK1ajoP+m9MkwtqTdbbk7mkdKw=; b=ikMzcoVo2/Mqvu2kiin8mq9srnUHasGSdHCndLPllXU14KdRLBMZ95kd/US+O3C8N1 q5sG3O5Pxwc3XM8OHo5htUxCO7fguNdy6h14laXgxEEVvY2u5XuNQNoqRTL/xYilJn76 H89pHTFDvI+fofOkbop5/Ec/kf+BM42vyw95A= Received: by 10.52.93.178 with SMTP id cv18mr2800110vdb.10.1321665665238; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.155.209 with SMTP id t17ls5144756vcw.2.gmail; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.65 with SMTP id fq1mr7882292vdc.6.1321665663997; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.65 with SMTP id fq1mr7882288vdc.6.1321665663962; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net. [68.230.241.217]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bu17si1228632vdc.0.2011.11.18.17.21.03; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.217 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.217; Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111119012103.XSKN2803.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net> for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:21:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.237.100]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id ypM31h0022AfMYu02pM3Xq; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:21:03 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4EC7047F.0063,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=cdJjHAINPiZBdT+VAeFfLOvj93neuvwrRIGsWSZO+Cw= c=1 sm=1 a=dYDkaTZZu5wA:10 a=LNyRDDSfcIoA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=MlCWezKaPNteFivST9MA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4EC7047F.4080208@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:21:03 -0500 From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like References: <1321501066.64722.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1321633769.30584.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1321640207.88557.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1321640207.88557.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.217 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / John E Clifford wrote: > Not really, but it can be massaged to do the work. The ideal would be > "x1 is necessary under condition/compulsion x2" I think that is "sarcu" "nibli" applies to logical necessity. If you asked about "sufficient", I might have a harder time, because I think that "banzu" was originally intended to cover it, but as currently defined became a somewhat different sense than the complement of sarcu. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.