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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wro=
te:
> John E. Clifford wrote:
>>
>> We're actually on about Logjam vii going back to 1955. =A0That is the di=
rect
>> line with JCB or LLG in charge. =A0I know of maybe half a =A0dozen spino=
ffs,
>> none of the very active, and I don't know what has happened over at Logl=
an.
>> We're about par for the course, with Lojban as a more successful Ido.
>> =A0Lojban took some, but not all, of the next Loglan suggestions, added =
a few
>> new ones, and threw out a few things. =A0And has done more alteration si=
nce.
>> {zilni,'I} is still linked to logical necessity, which is rarely the
>> interesting case (all S5 and the like).
>
> Jim Carter's guaspi was the first attempt to reform Lojban, though Prothe=
ro
> threw in planb at some point.
>
There was a spate of LoCCan spinoffs over a decade ago or more, but
none of them ever came to anything, and nothing has really popped up
since.  Ceqli has is worth noting and has garnered some attention but
it's more of an IAL than a loglang.  Jim Carter's guaspi is
interesting but I could get not past the tones, and it has no user
base.  Plan B is a whimsical sketch that has been widely ridiculed.
There was another one that had a small planning committee but it
withered away in short time.


 mu'o mi'e .maik.

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