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On 11/18/2011 06:21 PM, tijlan wrote:
> On 18 November 2011 22:14, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm actually talking about making {cinse} less general -- it already
>>>> means gender; I just want to make it not also mean sexuality.
>>>
>>> How do you understand the term "sexuality" in the definition of
>>> {cinse}? What is the sort of ka that you don't want the x2 to exhibit?
>>
>> I understand it to mean, and don't want it to mean, gledji.
> 
> What would be an example bridi with {cinse} in that sense? And how
> would that possibility be a trouble?

jbovlaste gives "x1 is sexy" as a possible meaning, so {cinse} could
actually qualify.

It's a problem because if I want to unambiguously mean "sexuality" then
I can say "gledji" but if I want to unambiguously mean "gender" then I
have no good options.

>>>> I also really want to have the explicit x3 and x4 places of {cinse} when
>>>> talking about gender, so that I can say things like {cinse fi so'i da}
>>>> or {cinse fo ma}.
>>>
>>> What would those places mean? Would they not be expressible through BAIs?
>>
>> I'm not sure where your question is coming from; they'd mean the same
>> thing they currently do.
> 
> We already can say things like {cinse fi so'i da} or {cinse fo ma},
> but you seemed to be suggesting you couldn't and wanted to add
> "explicit" places for that, so I guessed you were talking about some
> hypothetical new {cinse} with a different place structure.
> 
> 
>> Possible x4s might include gender of
>> identification (sevzi), gender performance, sex/gender assigned at
>> birth, anatomical sex, and chromosomal sex.
> 
> According to the current definition, the x4 is the standard by which
> the x3 is deduced from the x2. How would "gender performance" etc. be
> such a reference frame? Sounds more like the x2, the event in which a
> gender is exhibited.

I think you're reading cinse4 differently than I am. As far as I can
tell, the entirety of the actual definition is "by standard"; I had read
that to mean something like "in dimension/attribute/respect".

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