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maikxlx wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> 
>>John E. Clifford wrote:
>>
>>>We're actually on about Logjam vii going back to 1955.  That is the direct
>>>line with JCB or LLG in charge.  I know of maybe half a  dozen spinoffs,
>>>none of the very active, and I don't know what has happened over at Loglan.
>>>We're about par for the course, with Lojban as a more successful Ido.
>>> Lojban took some, but not all, of the next Loglan suggestions, added a few
>>>new ones, and threw out a few things.  And has done more alteration since.
>>>{zilni,'I} is still linked to logical necessity, which is rarely the
>>>interesting case (all S5 and the like).
>>
>>Jim Carter's guaspi was the first attempt to reform Lojban, though Prothero
>>threw in planb at some point.
>>
> 
> There was a spate of LoCCan spinoffs over a decade ago or more, but
> none of them ever came to anything, and nothing has really popped up
> since.  Ceqli has is worth noting and has garnered some attention but
> it's more of an IAL than a loglang.  Jim Carter's guaspi is
> interesting but I could get not past the tones, and it has no user
> base.  Plan B is a whimsical sketch that has been widely ridiculed.
> There was another one that had a small planning committee but it
> withered away in short time.

I think Plan B was  whimsical sketch on purpose, intending to make fun 
of the perfectionists who were perpetually proposing something new and 
different to reform the language.

My insight, such as it was, is that for a language to be a LANGUAGE, the 
significance of a stable and active user base is all important.  A 
theoretical construct that no one (or only the inventor) uses might be 
more logical, but it would not really be a language.  I did not win 
friends in the conlang community with this attitude %^)
-- 
Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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