Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:57685) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RRonP-0000U7-Hu; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:48 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf4859949bka.16 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0yGfwb0V6pb1VCcc0qLlVchq8MQhJUq1uVVaU3OOakY=; b=4WO/lFUHiKKRFsYc/JNFiHcRsSjfr5dUXe2gql1c6esn4JvxJJ7LSwUxejIAWRFHts K97AKDyjuZNK52XuYRGroJiv8jCH9f8EF/Ney/FCd5XM0eNh44WEXh/7jDnLBbF3TXbj 3UquBp5H3d4F+f+rHqbg8Avl3d637U6Z4XxVQ= Received: by 10.205.121.147 with SMTP id gc19mr851623bkc.22.1321724013366; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.33.136 with SMTP id h8ls6376982bkd.0.gmail; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr633330bku.1.1321724011623; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr633329bku.1.1321724011609; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f49.google.com (mail-bw0-f49.google.com [209.85.214.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q19si784202bks.3.2011.11.19.09.33.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.49; Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2so6228750bka.36 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.87 with SMTP id f23mr8105008bkw.18.1321724011215; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.37.138 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <32839884.2475.1321723578870.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcm23> References: <32839884.2475.1321723578870.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcm23> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] New logo; a work in progress From: Matt Arnold To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matt.mattarn@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is an illustration, not a logo. There is a difference between an illlustration, a logo, a flag, a logotype, and a mascot. The Disney logotype is the name in Walt Disney's distinctive handwriting. The Disney logo is three circles. It could almost be considered a new punctuation mark. The Disney mascot is Mickey Mouse himself, usually as either a costume or an illustration. Very few successful logos are illustrations. (Oddly, many outdoorsman supply stores are exceptions to this rule, with detailed illustrations of a fish or duck.) Consider the various logos Doubletree Hotel has had. Some are so simplistic they could count as a newly-invented punctuation mark (an ideal quality in a logo, for some purposes). When they draw one or more trees, they use fine-grained complexity, but the eye does not have to pick out any detail. It just gives a gestalt impression of an object we are all trained to recognize in a flash. The logotype, when included with the logo as one piece, is large enough to take prominence. The same could be said of the Fruit of the Loom logo. These are the exceptions that prove the rule. A quick impression (such as a logo) must not carry too many concepts that need to be interpreted. -Matt On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:26 PM, M.Nael wrote: > Someone had once criticized the Lojban logo; > Just take a look... > It's an initial draft; just to gather opinion. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/01do6-U3W-UJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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