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E=mc^2 has naught to do with Logic, of course, nor does the sequence of prime 
numbers (well, a little), so that point got lost.  The earliest Lojban logo used 
intersecting circles (from Venn diagrams) and a doubled headed arrow (from one 
standard presentation of propositional calculus).  But, of course, those are 
known only to people who have some acquaintance (however slight) to modern logic 
(since 1858 or so). Nothing universal springs to mind, since Logic, in this 
sense, at least, is an almost completely Euro-American phenomenon.  There is a 
markedly different tradition in India (which might be symbolized with something 
picturing smoke on a mountain revealing fire).  The early (and quickly quelled) 
Chinese tradition doesn't lend itself easily to depiction (how do you draw a 
white horse not being a horse -- nor white?).  The Islamic tradition transmitted 
and tidied up the Greek version to the West, which had received only a very 
dubious recension directly.  So, as I said, this is a Western tradition and 
maybe we just have to face that an use Western logos -- not that I can think of 
one that really works for non-logicians.



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From: M. Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 19, 2011 3:02:25 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] New logo; a work in progress


As I said, it's a work in progress that needs opinions. So, here's the first 
question: 

I symbolized logic using the 'E=mc^2' equation and a short sequence of prime 
numbers. But that doesn't seem to work. Like symbolizing language by the shape 
of some talking people, how do you symbolize logic in a culturally neutral way? 
And how do you symbolize the offspring; the Lojban language itself?
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;fon=
t-size:12pt">E=3Dmc^2 has naught to do with Logic, of course, nor does the =
sequence of prime numbers (well, a little), so that point got lost.&nbsp; T=
he earliest Lojban logo used intersecting circles (from Venn diagrams) and =
a doubled headed arrow (from one standard presentation of propositional cal=
culus).&nbsp; But, of course, those are known only to people who have some =
acquaintance (however slight) to modern logic (since 1858 or so). Nothing u=
niversal springs to mind, since Logic, in this sense, at least, is an almos=
t completely Euro-American phenomenon.&nbsp; There is a markedly different =
tradition in India (which might be symbolized with something picturing smok=
e on a mountain revealing fire).&nbsp; The early (and quickly quelled) Chin=
ese tradition doesn't lend itself easily to depiction (how do you draw a
 white horse not being a horse -- nor white?).&nbsp; The Islamic tradition =
transmitted and tidied up the Greek version to the West, which had received=
 only a very dubious recension directly.&nbsp; So, as I said, this is a Wes=
tern tradition and maybe we just have to face that an use Western logos -- =
not that I can think of one that really works for non-logicians.<div style=
=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br=
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e:12pt"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><hr size=3D"1"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> M. Nael &lt;muhammad.nael@gmail.com&gt;=
<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroup=
s.com<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sat, Novemb=
er 19, 2011 3:02:25 PM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</s=
pan></b> Re: [lojban] New logo; a work in progress<br></font><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">As I said, it's a work in progress that needs opinions. So=
, here's the first question:
<div>I symbolized logic using the 'E=3Dmc^2' equation and a short sequence =
of prime numbers. But that doesn't seem to work. Like symbolizing language =
by the shape of some talking people, how do you symbolize logic in a&nbsp;c=
ulturally&nbsp;neutral way? And how do you symbolize the offspring; the Loj=
ban language itself?</div>
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