Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:44377) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RS9f3-00083i-4d; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:34 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf5568462bka.16 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VvbLwvIshGK1HIvcg6Ml3rbUaDEg+L0QYj/WiDxJVJo=; b=NPwMPsED2GtYyit5jGcwBg2IT0H4wLLRuj0cfES3wCw19KrmJgLoZJcxkBniEZw1YB wC6P+Gk13eTMoZLA3UYecnrhvz3xqUUzu7t0gxgslGQt8tq9HRJ2lqKjsEuJ1RYecZuC PB+xoyxyxXyaurC6vv00A3lytZg8iSpQFnSZg= Received: by 10.205.125.18 with SMTP id gq18mr1517825bkc.14.1321804218759; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.56.81 with SMTP id x17ls5863613bkg.1.gmail; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.85 with SMTP id v21mr1538301bkw.8.1321804217250; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.85 with SMTP id v21mr1538300bkw.8.1321804217234; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h3si6370644fao.3.2011.11.20.07.50.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by faar25 with SMTP id r25so6324925faa.8 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.102.148 with SMTP id fo20mr6748918lab.51.1321804217070; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:50:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1321501066.64722.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1321633769.30584.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1321640207.88557.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EC705DD.8060202@lojban.org> <4EC79CEB.8000002@lojban.org> <4EC8F072.3070501@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:50:16 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:02 PM, maikxlx wrote: > > Wouldn't it make the most > sense to simply understand x1 as the relevant sumti? In other words > > (1) {x1 ka'e [selbri] x2 x3 [...]} would be a transformation of: > > (2) {x1 kakne lo nu ce'u [selbri] x2 x3 [...]}, and vice versa. But then how would you understand: (3) ka'e ku ge ko'a broda gi ko'e brode I understand it as "cumki fa lo nu ge ko'a broda gi ko'e brode". Presumably you would understand it as "ge ko'a kakne lo nu broda gi ko'e kakne lo nu brode", yes? And what about: (4) ka'e ku ge no da broda gi no de brode For me it's "cumki fa lo nu ge no da broda gi no de brode" and for you it would be "ge no da kakne lo nu broda gi no de kakne lo nu brode"? So "ka'e", despite all appearances to the contrary, just jumps inside the scope of any bridi operator in sight? What about: (5) "ka'e ku ko'a na broda" or: (6) ka'e ku ge nai ko'a broda gi nai ko'e brode I don't understand why, when the syntax provides such simple answers, people want to complicate interpretations so much. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.