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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] happy birthday References: <2fb82f93-d450-4e7f-b28f-e00934de6f9c@o13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com> <4EC905B4.9020306@lojban.org> <20111120135612.GG15311@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20111120135612.GG15311@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.214 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:50:44AM -0500, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > >>jongausib wrote: >> >>>How do you say "happy birthday" bau lojban? >> >>I would say: >>a'o do cinmo loka gleki le do jbena nunsalci > > > do cinmo loka gleki == do se pluka, no? usually. We do distinguish in the attitudinals between oinai (pleasure) and ui (happiness), with the implication in the opposition that pleasure is a state of having no complaint. Nora describes happiness as being a more general emotion. One can experience happiness just being out, say, in the wilderness, while feeling displeasure at the mosquitoes eating you alive, suggesting the pleasure is a specific reaction to a stimulus, while happiness is a more general feeling. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.