Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:62031) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RSECI-00014R-Tk; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:41:17 -0800 Received: by vcbfk1 with SMTP id fk1sf8127487vcb.16 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:41:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-ct-class:x-ct-score:x-ct-refid:x-ct-spam :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=9lqtd/iPmDO9fTo/3trxp+wSnvbAXG+M/mF7m/ytOB8=; b=K6mSD6wO+BjLTsEomqIlpkQuJnDyrL2T5fYgAjUZMk7J1Uw8rf1gCW+hXKUAMvnc7O tmpKXubaPM2x6RlkbZaLWGMCIcZMzQldEZkAmZu+JITiBOr3jhinubo1M2sU8fVw+f5v EnxqZt6Df9b45quprlR2pRY5qf/V8YvReX8Bc= Received: by 10.52.38.69 with SMTP id e5mr5291747vdk.6.1321821657790; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:40:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.221.13.132 with SMTP id pm4ls7421721vcb.5.canary; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.64.173 with SMTP id p13mr15360783vds.0.1321821657240; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.64.173 with SMTP id p13mr15360782vds.0.1321821657233; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net. [68.230.241.217]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cn4si3872950vdb.3.2011.11.20.12.40.57; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.217 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.217; Received: from eastrmimpo210.cox.net ([68.230.241.225]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20111120204056.QKD2803.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo210.cox.net> for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:40:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.237.100]) by eastrmimpo210.cox.net with bizsmtp id zYgw1h0012AfMYu02YgwH4; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:40:56 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4EC965D8.00AA,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=De1JiIk2RxanYFgc+XGFICsyHMGw9Zzh53vWvxwLytc= c=1 sm=1 a=dYDkaTZZu5wA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:17 a=QNDBTLAUwWO-z_3aioAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4EC965D5.6080503@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:40:53 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: happy birthday References: <2fb82f93-d450-4e7f-b28f-e00934de6f9c@o13g2000vbo.googlegroups.com> <4EC905B4.9020306@lojban.org> <20111120135612.GG15311@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.217 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ianek wrote: > I prefer Robin's versions to lojbab's. We say "Happy birthday", not "I > hope you feel joy from your birthday party", because the latter is > unnecessarily verbous. I was translating the English. I wouldn't necessarily say the same thing in Lojban if I were trying to briefly express a relevant sentiment. Different languages use different expressions that don't necessarily have the same meaning. And verbosity isn't necessarily a virtue. I believe Russian's express birthday wishes as pozdravelyayu vas na dyen rozhdeniyi I congratulate you on the day of birth a full 12 syllables and comparable to my Lojban forms Also, isn't it the case to use di'ai? I have no idea, since I neither know nor use any experimental cmavo. At this point, none of them are official. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.