Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:32781) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RSyJr-0002F9-UR; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:56:04 -0800 Received: by qabg40 with SMTP id g40sf922135qab.16 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2PC0FLpElKkLMB1QWd3IaThNhiOF2y2QX4vnPRQNSbY=; b=GFMV4O0UeiwhVYR+fGQq3fGnnM5vOJD9aeReYvGQ7+I2TPz35VFS111N/ASENyA9S0 mQZ9zpYNaUFBZQimFmTbj0g2QXZL6S7ZgCm9cqkxSfCc5tM4gm0MhQ2gy3vhrvH+16r4 W1/cQuAih4WbsK2kpcid4aUfiTstu/xFZRiKQ= Received: by 10.224.33.131 with SMTP id h3mr4391213qad.16.1321998950734; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.235.7 with SMTP id i7ls1199109ybh.0.gmail; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.73.11 with SMTP id a11mr6374288anl.26.1321998949483; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.73.11 with SMTP id a11mr6374286anl.26.1321998949457; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gy0-f181.google.com (mail-gy0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m17si3908695ybe.0.2011.11.22.13.55.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.181; Received: by mail-gy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id r13so848710ghr.40 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.113.101 with SMTP id ix5mr13034994lab.23.1321998949232; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1321501066.64722.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1321633769.30584.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1321640207.88557.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EC705DD.8060202@lojban.org> <4EC79CEB.8000002@lojban.org> <4EC8F072.3070501@lojban.org> <4EC9635E.70004@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:55:48 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0 Of course, in many cases where xorxes wants to use ka'e for "it's > possible", It's not that I want to use "ka'e" for "it's possible", it's the other way around, I want "it's possible", or "it could be", for "ka'e". So what you need to tell us is not how you'd say "it's possible", but how you'd understand for example "ka'e ku no da klama". > I'd personally choose to not use a CAhA at all, but la'acu'i Something can also be possible and extremely likely, or possible and extremely unlikely. If "possible" corresponds to "su'o", then the la'a scale corresponds to so'a/so'e/so'i/so'o/so'u. >(or > go to full-blown brivla using cumki), while recognizing that it's not > precisely the same part of speech, and perhaps not the same logical > implications, I think it does convey the same meaning. That was my point, "ka'e ku broda" has basically the same meanimg as "cumki fa lo nu broda". Or more precisely, "ka'e" is "fi'o se cumki". > In any case, I > wondered about the following utterance (I'm pretty sure xorxes would like= it > and understand it in the way I intend): "va'o lo nu da'i=A0ka'e no'a kei = mi ba > co'e" (hint: it's a six=A0syllable in English).=A0 Is it clear? (Probably= less > clear as "va'olonuda'ika'eno'akeimibaco'e" ;-) ) "If I can I will"? I count five syllables. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.