Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:45985) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RSzdQ-0002qj-HW; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:22 -0800 Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19sf1673778vbb.16 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NIHUdo7V5yWjC95KGpUANNUT5JjaGVjninwO8J0Vcks=; b=j2KKrnw8LkoOfeqcLQ14fag6ASNemcuWGEf678uTLRX6AHlZ7QZ7D9ty0PyIwbKrRM R5kLVfa9UMh1zk5J1GUOpb+rrnDuQXIs0ohBel5KaVi1Lhw7jdKAtlHJMV61kvRFkdmf u+EFJOurbvVhWAvGBeVNqD6FpcB5Aqi6IWYrk= Received: by 10.52.72.199 with SMTP id f7mr10923936vdv.11.1322004007407; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.149.17 with SMTP id r17ls3331608vcv.0.gmail; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.67.145 with SMTP id n17mr4929151vdt.0.1322004005809; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.67.145 with SMTP id n17mr4929148vdt.0.1322004005796; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com (mail-vx0-f189.google.com [209.85.220.189]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cn4si7335375vdb.3.2011.11.22.15.20.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.189 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.189; Received: by vcbfk1 with SMTP id fk1so4724716vcb.6 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.94.13 with SMTP id cy13mr11306587vdb.1.1322004005727; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: djandus Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <26790031.186.1322004004975.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqni5> In-Reply-To: References: <20b482a7-b58a-4e4a-a3f7-27b49ba861c0@p9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <32855204.975.1321990011505.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhd1> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New PA-proposal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.189 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jandew@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_185_11315508.1322004004972" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_185_11315508.1322004004972 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I consider "ji'i" one of the "preceding modifiers". > This system doesn't parse any differently from how you'd expect for {ji'i xa pi xa}, as in the linked example you gave, but simply allows for constructs like {pa ji'i xa} for "16, with 6 being uncertain" -- clearly intended for simplifying significant figures and error analysis. This is the behavior I grabbed straight from the cll. The "rounded" semantics is implied, but not the "rounded up/down" semantics. (Which I'm perfectly fine with.) What I'm not fine with is that {ji'i PAI} makes logical sense, and sometimes {ji'i DUhE}, but these are currently disallowed since they would put {ji'i} in a separate pagselma'o. I wrote a possible work-around in the google doc definition, but I don't particularly like it. Given, it's basically the same sort of thing I did with {pi DUhE}... I've been trying to match the current system as much as possible, primarily disliking {ce'i}. I didn't know there were previous thread expressing dislike with {ji'i} -- personally, I'd like to see both interpretations able to coexist. mu'o mi'e djos > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/fpHm60qXuFEJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_185_11315508.1322004004972 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I consider "ji'i" one of th= e "preceding modifiers".

This system doesn't parse any= differently from how you'd expect for {ji'i xa pi xa}, as in the linked ex= ample you gave, but simply allows for constructs like {pa ji'i xa} for "16,= with 6 being uncertain" -- clearly intended for simplifying significant fi= gures and error analysis. This is the behavior I grabbed straight from the cll. The "rounded" semantic= s is implied, but not the "rounded up/down" semantics. (Which I'm perfectly= fine with.) What I'm not fine with is that {ji'i PAI} makes logical sense,= and sometimes {ji'i DUhE}, but these are currently disallowed since they w= ould put {ji'i} in a separate pagselma'o. I wrote a possible work-around in= the google doc definition, but I don't particularly like it. Given, it's b= asically the same sort of thing I did with {pi DUhE}...

I've been trying to match the current system as much as possible, pri= marily disliking {ce'i}. I didn't know there were previous thread expressin= g dislike with {ji'i} -- personally, I'd like to see both interpretations a= ble to coexist.

mu'o mi'e djos

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