Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:49822) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RTFL3-0003Ad-L9; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:06:26 -0800 Received: by iage36 with SMTP id e36sf3063103iag.16 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:06:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-pgp-key :x-pgp-keyid:x-cunselcu'a-valsi:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=SS5u1G3frfmQVX2ZMFpFfpFJ7IdFdVU/5Mf3Tuq7Zjo=; b=RW+zF6seEHRKFH+qOETT+mNdDkTpa3eSOiyzdhPtKzDJ6PCb/ylQjsX03pILeem1cT ZBj8kvZ/9MhvtwqcrKC7IHpxAGlTP0sGo20nLE/iUYv/XOWdiI8a12DZyL5ipa8f4KSZ dPFoctrB9wvhxsK1GeKHRwbf60PGLrU41zfxw= Received: by 10.68.73.71 with SMTP id j7mr398509pbv.19.1322064372692; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:06:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.34.33 with SMTP id w1ls3017014pbi.2.gmail; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.59.229 with SMTP id c5mr4798120pbr.6.1322064372047; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.59.229 with SMTP id c5mr4798119pbr.6.1322064372039; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org. [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2si3941085pba.0.2011.11.23.08.06.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pANG6BAJ017830 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:06:11 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RTFKt-0008Ht-5U for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:06:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:06:11 -0500 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lions and levels and the like Message-ID: <20111123160611.GA6112@gonzales> References: <4EC79CEB.8000002@lojban.org> <4EC8F072.3070501@lojban.org> <4EC9635E.70004@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: mu User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Wednesday, 2011-11-23 at 10:39 -0500 - Michael Turniansky : > 2011/11/22 Jorge Llamb=EDas >=20 > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Michael Turniansky > > wrote: > > > In any case, I wondered about the following utterance (I'm pretty > > > sure xorxes would like it and understand it in the way I intend): > > > "va'o lo nu da'i ka'e no'a kei mi ba co'e" (hint: it's a six > > > syllable in English). Is it clear? (Probably less clear as > > > "va'olonuda'ika'eno'akeimibaco'e" ;-) ) > > > > "If I can I will"? I count five syllables. > > > > > Very true. But that's because when I was thinking about it, I left in > the elidable "then" -- "If I could, then I would" (cf. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiAP9AF6DCu4&ob=3Dav2e ) Still, is ther= e a > good pseudo-Whorfian exlanation why it takes three times longer to express > that in lojban than English? (And is there a shorter way to to translate = it > into lojban?) How about: {mi ca'a gi kakne gi zukte} (9 syllables)? --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7NGfMACgkQULC7OLX7LNbgKgCffwtRUT+g/ScJr8hotsxPc6mS BqUAnizBKHY/xhqE7HOtSNHabM+vZ6vC =w+4c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EVF5PPMfhYS0aIcm--