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[66.94.237.92]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id l16si352723ybl.2.2011.11.24.06.32.01; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.92 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.92; Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2011 14:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.124] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2011 14:32:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2011 14:32:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407465.74836.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78362 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2011 14:32:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: F_vNAc4VM1lAvZvCW1_TGg0G2awES8OFIHcWjFN8O2F_9KA I1WVtNAFZIXuwneBBWKiYqd_AAHkb8AByIKa9yGEIvZx2D.NtdgBvL1cPwMu FJiNnC4PB.0UrHeZd_JyWS60uYwhSfC5x9fZc.vJ2J6YOSZD2NVQKK9eViL6 Vq97CIDmEAD.qqi16m6zH5.cit9DHVkRfAZV1UBVOiMVXtHSbwiCQi6TWtNc sv6.6tnoujtdbQtU7ijq8tjglDAPYZVVHwNKSWBheO_XqhBLvwvFYqP433yB fL18UOfsK6oXqde8L1IN9LmhRgRPwngYSywehy.kzj_B07lQpGeg5hTD.S3Z efZO9.VkyAe0vf4d44VC48WNs6duQtIkg7ZIHxjFX4kZsqjC8ZHXXguObvfv 0RSBKcETNxHnLqcR6fBuLN5AGtNeF2NUdcT8f5b78vhy9u06iuCr6Rx6GFQR 1bzhqaWAFNjC_NYO4dng0BFq715wFgdjnDTyhzTS.Et4E1rB5L8_a18Mj4Nj mNoqaGTzg5dh9eWfjdgdEJnHhvCiuCCu.Rp3A8IV1YA-- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:32:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/589 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1322084099.71575.YahooMailRC@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322145121.36250.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] No title, since the subject will have changed by the time it gets there To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.92 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Well, sorta. A maximal bunch is a bunch (L-set, plurality) in a single domain of discourse that contains all the relevant objects (the current ones almost always, the past ones often. the possible ones occasionally -- probably only the possible ones from proximal worlds). ----- Original Message ---- From: maikxlx To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, November 23, 2011 11:23:28 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] No title, since the subject will have changed by the time it gets there Good subject line! On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:34 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > 2. {lo broda} refers to a bunch of brodas (either an L-set or a plural > reference, as your ontological conscience guides you), fixed by context but > possibly not terribly specific. The bunch may have a single member or encompass > all brodas that have ever been and maybe more (all in this universe of > discourse, of course, though maybe not in this world). These latter, maximal, > bunches represent brodakind for all practical purposes. Because of the > transparency of bunches, such a bunch of brodas is also a bunch of kinds of > brodas, etc. These maximal bunches might usefully have a separate gadri. In Montague's program, an intension is just the function that maps world-time indexes to extensions. So for a one-place predicate like {nanmu}, the intension expressed by {lo nanmu} gives you a set of mundane {nanmu}s at each word-time index. You get the extension that you want by specifying or glorking the world and time. Is this something like what you have in mind when you say "maximal bunches"? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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