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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> {noi broda} is veridicial - it affects the truth conditions of the
> claim, so it can't be scope-invariant.
>
> {voi broda} is non-veridicial - it doesn't affect the truth conditions,
> so is scope-invariant. It just gives hints to help the listener
> understand the intended referents of the sumti it's attached to, by
> noting that they satisfy broda (or appear to satisfy broda, this being
> all that's relevant).

The veridicality of "noi" means that the subordinate clause is a
veridical claim about its subject, it has nothing to do with how it
affects (or rather doesn't affect) the truth of the main clause. The
non-restrictiveness of "noi" is what makes it independent of the main
clause.

I can't comment on "voi" since we don't really know whether it's
supposed to be restrictive or non-restrictive. It could very well be
both non-veridical and restrictive: "the woman that I described as a
man" vs "the woman, who I described as a man". I'm not sure which one
of those "lo ninmu voi nanmu" is supposed to be.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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