Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:56796) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RUdCA-0005Uj-Mm; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:47:02 -0800 Received: by wwf10 with SMTP id 10sf10581261wwf.16 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:46:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-nvg-mailscanner-information :x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/EsYnsKWOMs3WzMkAExY5QrLEgImN7eiOjoNtYLi9nk=; b=kH4ZXFiN2568xSrQc/nfVI/Bo2KR47MA/PRocKcHKEPS3JJpSSryVn+MBdskqlzRBS 67OcwBvyaskoaExh5m1fEzmyBgGNXOEtWVYqtbQgdIyrBqCH8oOWs1Evu8qtkIBg+WBU taZR2nq+0vMPHrc/koY7YhUsavDeoCt+Pv2uA= Received: by 10.216.159.144 with SMTP id s16mr141592wek.5.1322394405245; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:46:45 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.96.4 with SMTP id q4ls251808eef.5.canary; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.105.194 with SMTP id u2mr281244ebo.11.1322394403634; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.105.194 with SMTP id u2mr281243ebo.11.1322394403617; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no. [129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a15si1847619fah.1.2011.11.27.03.46.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:92e6:baff:fe68:dd1c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2D9947C8 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:46:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (arj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id pARBkaRB021245 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:46:36 +0100 Received: (from arj@localhost) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id pARBka0e021244 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:46:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:46:36 +0100 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] ru'a Message-ID: <20111127114636.GS15498@nvg.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:32:55AM +0000, tijlan wrote: >=20 > Then I wonder how exactly we should think "ru'a" differs from bare > instances or derivatives of ".ia", "la'a", "pe'i", "da'i", "ju'a", > "ju'o", "za'a", "ti'e", "je'u", "se'o", "ka'u", "li'a", etc. Unknown, and IMHO irrelevant. The Lojban attitudinal system is not designed= to have no overlap, and designing such a system is probably not possible i= n any case. The kind of assumption that I associate with =93ru'a=94 is probably closest= to: > -- (law) the act of supposing that something is true, although it > has not yet been proved or is not certain --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Many familiar with Descartes' work are likely to remember him from philosophy courses as that French guy who was wrong a lot. --Daniel Harbour --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.