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Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 26/11/2011 14:02:
> The non-restrictiveness of "noi" is what makes it independent of the
> main clause. =20

I think that's not so. In "every little baby", "little" is nonrestrictive b=
ut not independent of the clause. What makes "noi" and English "non-restric=
tive relative clauses" -- or "supplementary relative clauses" in the termin=
ology of Huddleston and Pullum, or "incidental relative clauses" in the ter=
monology of Lojban -- independent of the containing clause is the supplemen=
tarity/incidentality, which I think should be modelled logically as an inde=
pendent illocutionary operator. For example "Is Cardiff, which is the capit=
al of Wales, polluted?" is, logically, "I-HEREBY-ASK whether Cardiff is pol=
luted & I-HEREBY-ASSERT-INCIDENTALLY that Cardiff is the capital of Wales".

Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 26/11/2011 17:35:
> Assuming
>
> (1) le broda =3D zo'e noi mi ke'a do skicu lo ka broda
>
> (2) ko'a voi broda =3D ko'a noi mi ke'a do skicu lo ka broda

I think they're both wrong. The "noi" would introduce an illocutionary elem=
ent I-HEREBY-ASSERT-INCIDENTALLY, that is not present in "le broda =3D ko'a=
 voi broda". Rather, "le broda =3D ko'a voi broda" involve an illocutionary=
 element DEI-KE'A-DO-SKICU, "I-HEREBY-NONVERIDICALLY-SAY".


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